Good heavens, then I misunderstood ? :lol: :lol:

Good heavens, then I misunderstood ? :lol: :lol:

 

 

You've lost me there!   :LMAO:

You've lost me there!   :LMAO:

 

:lol:

It wouldn't be a true release for us without a giant novel-post by Dillon telling everyone how terrible our business decisions are now would it?

 

The fact that he's done this after basically every release I can remember since I've been at the company (with all the previous ones it was dire prognosticating about how stupid we were for not going back to FS9) combined with the fact that we're still here and thriving after all these years should tell you all something about his actual level of knowledge about this industry shouldn't it? If he were right about these things PMDG would not be in business today.

 

Now you've got everyone on a bandwagon. I've proven you wrong about this before so we can go at it again.

 

Show me the posts where I've bad mouthed every PMDG product since you've been with the company. The only debate we've had was during the original 744's release about wing views and the sound set. Since then I was disappointed/vocal (like many others) about PMDG's choice to move away from FS9 based on the poor MD11 sales at the time but I've never directly attacked any of your products. Since you made these statements we have a full history of posts here, find the posts to back up your claims.

Ryan wasn't implying you had been badmouthing PMDG products.

 

He was rather implying you had been badmouthing their business decisions!  

Ryan wasn't implying you had been badmouthing PMDG products.

 

He was rather implying you had been badmouthing their business decisions!  

 

Find me a post where I said something remotely about the J41, 744X, or the NGX (concerning the NGX that whole issue died for me with the release of the iFly model so I know I said nothing bad business wise or anything else about this product). A FS9/FSX debate is just that a general debate about our community and developers as a whole. Ryan comes in here making it sound like I'm on a bandwagon everytime PMDG makes an announcement about a new product or fanning flames on release day. Even here I'm not bad mouthing the 777 or rallying it be released for FS9 just an observation based on the fact Microsoft has abandoned this community. Another problem we have in this community is every time you say something and reference a developer they take it as a personal attack, this needs to stop...

 

To be clear the last big gripe I had with PMDG was we all asked for the NG years ago. They came out with the MD11 that was a total shock to everyone (today I'm glade they did because of the awesome job they did with it). It didn't sell well to the FS9 crowd because non of us wanted it at the time. We all wanted a new NG. PMDG publically stated because of the lack luster sales of the MD11 they were shifting to FSX only plus the NGX through their research wouldn't sell well to the FS9 crowd. Many were livid about this having the NG pulled because of the MD11. Of course the MD11 would sell better to the FSX crowd as there wasn't much quality content at the time for FSX plus we all were so disappointed with the MD11 pick over the NG (for the record I was one of the FS9 users that bought the MD11 at the time for my FedEx cargo runs, to date I own every FS9 PMDG product ever released). Low and behold iFly came along and blew the whole theory that was being pushed that FS9 was a dead market out the water. iFly's NG was a huge success even with only to FS9 users supporting it way before they made the FSX version. Ryan (PMDG) even gave credit to the product proving something quality 'that the community is actually asking for' will sell no matter what platform FS9 or FSX(you had FSXer's re-installing their copy of FS9 just to use it just like FS9er's are moving to FSX for nothing more than to get their hands on the NGX and now the 777). iFly's release came before the NGX but after the NGX iFly was forgotten about. The iFly 737 is no NGX but it's still one of the top products this community has and for a while their it was the add-on to have for both FS9 and FSX users. After iFly I left the whole PMDG FS9 issue alone, I had a quality 737 to fly in FS9, I had a PMDG 744 so there was nothing to say (That was how long ago now?). For the last year we've seen a huge decline in FS9 freeware and FSX has hit prime time as far as hardware catching up. It's understandable to make a move now to something and I have no issue with who's doing what for FS9 versus FSX. My only point since FSX has been released were people were trying to push to much through a small hardware hole with no option to make the hole larger because the hardware didn't exist. Today it does so everyone can enjoy FSX although the code is buggy but that's just how it is. Now we have to address where everything is heading at some point. Ryan is totally mis-characterizing my statements over the years concerning PMDG to get a rise out of everyone in love with the 777 and devalue my original post here...

 

 

Last to Ryan's point about them doing well, that goes without saying. They'd do well if they developed for XPlane, heck they alone would cause a massive shift in platforms for this community. Doing well with products like the NGX and 777 is not saying much. People have purposely abandoned FS9 solely for the purpose of using the NGX, that says allot. For many the NGX or 777 was the marker to shift platforms and actually is my marker as well (just haven't got around to doing it yet). I say do well and pick something to build on that's actually still in production. FSX is the sim of choice now even for me and like others have stated here I'll keep Windows 7 around longer than XP has currently been around to keep using it (now that it can be used in all it's glory) but at some point I hope there is something bigger, better, with far less bugs. History will show PMDG is the greatest developer this community has ever had and to Ryan I've said this more than once over the years...

 

 

Ryan, please read the last post. I think you missed this back in July:

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/403102-a-big-thank-you-to-a-legendary-company-pmdg/page-2

 

 

I have many more like this that I've posted over the years concerning PMDG (the new forums make posts easy to find). Far more good than bad, let's set the record straight shall we...

I'd never use XP because it just doesn't work for me. I don't like the UI, I don't like the way it works, and I don't like the limited (in comparison to FSX) support from the devs I like to buy my softs from.

Jake, I'll likely never even install XP10 (I got a freebie at the last AVSIM FanCon) simply because I don't have six hours to install all eight DVDs!

Jake, I'll likely never even install XP10 (I got a freebie at the last AVSIM FanCon) simply because I don't have six hours to install all eight DVDs!

 

 

That's no more than 40 GB, right?

 

My current FSX folder is 250 GB - and i've heard of people reinstalling FSX from time to time ...

Reports of FSX's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

 

2013 has probably been one of the landmark years for FSX releases, with the likes of FTX Global, PMDG 777, Majestic Dash 8, A2A C172 some of the highlight releases this year, and we're only in September!

 

Just look at the amount of stuff that's been released over the last few months - no matter what or where you fly, there's something out there to cater for you in the FSX world.

 

FSX users have never had it so good.

 

 

Also rather bemused that some people still can't get their heads around not everyone likes to fly airliners and seem unable to view the hobby through any other paradigm. 

Reports of FSX's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

 

2013 has probably been one of the landmark years for FSX releases, with the likes of FTX Global, PMDG 777, Majestic Dash 8, A2A C172 some of the highlight releases this year, and we're only in September!

 

Just look at the amount of stuff that's been released over the last few months - no matter what or where you fly, there's something out there to cater for you in the FSX world.

 

FSX users have never had it so good.

 

 

Also rather bemused that some people still can't get their heads around not everyone likes to fly airliners and seem unable to view the hobby through any other paradigm. 

 

Yes, it has been a banner year for FSX... more so than for any other platform!

 

olli4740 -- with regards to your last sentence, I think it's the exact opposite...

 

I find it interesting that flying Big Iron in the Sim is clearly the most popular segment of our Community, but whenever a Poll is taken comparing GA to Heavy Iron, the results are split right down the middle. I find it even more interesting to read responses from Members who are clearly Airliner oriented (avatar, signature), but spend half a page trying to justify why they are a dedicated 'GA pilot'.

 

I wonder why that is? :huh:

 

Some posters make it sound like you have to form a suicide pact with your flight sim of choice, be it fs9, fs10, p3d, x-plane or whatever sim.  What's the problem with just taking control of your own hobbying needs and being flexible?  If I'm an FS9 user, and a bunch of cool things are coming out only for FSX, we'll, then instead of me saying ah no no no, then maybe it's time to think about using FSX or X-plane, or wherever the action happens to be at.  You're the Captain, but all myths to the contrary, you don't really have to go down with the ship.

Some posters make it sound like you have to form a suicide pact with your flight sim of choice, be it fs9, fs10, p3d, x-plane or whatever sim. What's the problem with just taking control of your own hobbying needs and being flexible? If I'm an FS9 user, and a bunch of cool things are coming out only for FSX, we'll, then instead of me saying ah no no no, then maybe it's time to think about using FSX or X-plane, or wherever the action happens to be at. You're the Captain, but all myths to the contrary, you don't really have to go down with the ship.

Yep!!!

Maybe if we stopped judging people by what platform they use or by what airplane they choose to fly, then there wouldn't be all the animosity that exists in this Community.

 

OK, just a question since it was brought up on an earlier page - What is all of this about the EULA for P3D?  I did a search on the site here and it seems a majority of the posts on AVSIM regarding this subject just end up as (sometimes heated) circular arguments.  Aren't we breaking the EULA for FSX every time we install an add-on that outperforms the original (now-considered crummy at times) aircraft, scenery, etc.?  The FSX EULA specifically states that it is expressly forbidden to "work around technical limitations of the software".  I'm paraphrasing, but it's there.  It just seems weird that someone states "Lockheed's EULA prohibits it" for P3D and, well, there it is, solid as a brick wall, and yet, haven't add-ons eliminated some "technical limitations of the software" in FSX?  Just a question...

 

Sorry, just rambling on, please don't take this as endorsement or encouragement to break the P3D EULA!

 

On another note, in my opinion FSX will remain a viable software engine well into the next several iterations of Windows.  Don't see any way that it can't be ran, as there's just too many legacy software products out there like FSX that will still have to be used by business and governments worldwide.

Kattz,

 

The issue with the P3D EULA has to do with interpretation and perception about how it is written and how the Software is to be used. I won't comment further, for fear of starting one of those heated arguments you mentioned above.