FS2Crew fundamentally shifts the simulated experience from one of unrealistic single pilot usage, to realistic line pilot operation.

 

Indeed, but I didn't spend $90 on the 777X (and another $?? on the FS2Crew for it) to watch a virtual co pilot do most of the operation while I crosscheck their progress.  So I'm not just playing the part of the Captain, I'm also acting as F/O too.  I may even switch to the F/O seat for convenience to do that.  Not how it's done in real life for obvious safety reasons, but perfectly possible, and very satisfying, in the sim.  Whenever I've flown in real sims I've almost always flown single handed.  Even three crew types like 727s and 747 Classics.

 

FS2Crew suits some people. It doesn't suit everyone. This is not really about realism, just preference.

 

I do agree with you in disagreeing that it's an instant crutch.  You can't really use it without understanding the systems first.

Couldn't disagree more. FS2Crew is replicating the operation of the aircraft as it would be in real life. Neither 737s nor 777s are flown single pilot :wink: ....... FS2Crew simulates actual Boeing/Airbus FCOM to give a wholly realistic set of flows. It's just so not a crutch nor an enabler of inproficiency.

 

I just cannot understand why you'd reach such a conclusion, certainly if you've used FS2Crew you'd know how far off that supposition is.

 

FS2Crew fundamentally shifts the simulated experience from one of unrealistic single pilot usage, to realistic line pilot operation.

 

Conversely AoA videos simply educate against that baseline unrealistic proposition of flying a 400 seat airliner as single pilot.

Had you bothered to read the rest of my post, you would have seen the part where I said exactly what you're saying. That neither the 737 nor the 777 are single pilot aircraft, and that FS2Crew does a fantastic job of simulating an actual operational experience. I thought I was stating the obvious when I said it the first time. You've reinforced the obvious but managed to miss my point completely.

 

The problem is that many of us (myself included) will jump to FS2Crew the moment it is released because we just can't control ourselves. We want our experience to be as real as it gets, and FS2Crew hits the nail on the head. Unfortunately, if the FS2Crew module happens to be released before you've had the chance to work through the FCOMs and/or comprehensive training such as that provided by AoA, you end up short cutting the training process.

 

And you couldn't be farther from the truth regarding the AoA training philosphy. The intent isn't to give you the illusion that these aircraft are piloted by lone airmen. The intent is to teach you the roles and responsibilities of BOTH the captain and first officer. That's exactly what you do in type training. The FTD and full motion sessions in type training involve you flying as part of a crew, but you alternate roles so that you can learn the functions of BOTH the right and left seat. That's what AoA is recreating. Installing FS2Crew before you learn how to perform the functions of a captain and first officer is like having your type rating instructor fly with you and functioning as the FO on ALL of your training flights. That doesn't happen for a reason.

I am not a add-ons addict, yet but I bought enough to ask myself why I bother with all of that, while FSX can't perform with all of those add-ons, especially Airport Sceneries poof rotate and they disappear.  Now I am a collector of sort.  I collect good simulated planes, and PMDG is just a must have for my collection.  With the 777 I am now done with spending money with FSX, well until the FSLabs A320 and only if it lives up to expectation.  I have not done a ocean crossing flight yet, even if I have had the PMDG MD-11 for a while due to the time but now with that auto cruise feature, I will now attempt one.

Hi,

 

If you want a good foundation in regards to the ins and outs of the PMDG-737 aircraft and are not into reading manuals. Your best bet is Angle of Attack for the PMDG 737 aircraft.

 

JMO, nothing against FS2Crew... AoA videos will give you a good solid foundation, something to build on, FS2Crew is more flight deck support.

 

 

I've been meaning to Thank You for the NGX checklists you uploaded to Avsim Michael.

 

Cheers!

Then after I get it, a little buyer's remorse sets in - sure, that HD airport looks nice, but how much time do I actually spend looking at it, especially when I'm spending most of my time starting up the plane?

++1, sadly, almost alwayas online ATC "expect" you to have the major Airport-addon´s ! I could live with the standard ones !

 

 

The FTD and full motion sessions in type training involve you flying as part of a crew, but you alternate roles so that you can learn the functions of BOTH the right and left seat.

 

It would be ultimately realistic (though obviously a massive programming task) if there was a utility that allowed you to alternate roles on successive legs, so that you'd be, say, pilot flying on the first leg of the day, then pilot monitoring on the second.  Not a full exchange of flows (doesn't address preflight and secure) but an authentic recreation of the pilot's workday.  I doubt many people would find it rewarding to do setup and monitor radios while the AI PF does the landing... but then, given the popularity of autoland, maybe I'm wrong.

 

In any case, still not a substitute for learning the systems - Brian is right that we're talking about two different challenges, systems knowledge vs. authentic CRM.

In any case, still not a substitute for learning the systems - Brian is right that we're talking about two different challenges, systems knowledge vs. authentic CRM.

Exactomundo. And I think you're right. I doubt many of us would enjoy "handling the radios."

"You have the controls" is something you'll never hear in my cockpit. Haha

 

 

"You have the controls" is something you'll never hear in my cockpit. Haha

 

So it's always "your airplane," eh? B)  

So it's always "your airplane," eh? B)

I wish. It's too much fun to share with others, but sometimes you have to play nice--you know, in the interest of preserving good CRM. Lol

++1, sadly, almost alwayas online ATC "expect" you to have the major Airport-addon´s ! I could live with the standard ones !

 

Not my experience. I don't use any airport addons and when I notice discrepancies between what I'm seeing and what they tell me, I politely inform them I'm using the default FSX scenery and they tell me what I need to do to adjust.

 

I've had this in many cases so far and every time online ATC was more than helpful. Just my 2c on that subject.

FScrew is not a virtual copilot, it is a virtual button slave. A co-pilots's job (in the civilised world) is much more complicated than that.

 

I fly the NGX multi pilot, mainly as First officer from the RH seat, but all by my self. I switch from the right to the left seat temporarily to perform the captains items. I follow the FCOM to the letter. When I am performing PM actions, I have the autopilot engaged, or on the ground, put the aircraft to a stop.

 

If you want to fly an approach from downwind to a stop on hands? set the engine start switches already to cont. assign a quick key or joystick button for: autopilot disconnect, auto throttle disconnect, speed brake ARM, Gear and Flaps. that's all you need. 

On the return flight you could play PM, let the autopilot do all the flying, and perform all these items from the virtual cockpit.

 

IMO this way you could get the most realistic, rewarding and educational experience from this piece of art.

 

EDIT: If you prefer a Lionair Indonesia captain experience, FS crew is what you need!

 

My 2ct.

Hi Guys,

 

sorry I have been in the hospital the last four days, unable to respond.

I like the AOA idea. I know I can look it up, but since it was mentioned, what is its price structure?
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Here is the link to AoA, but I'm sure you found it already:  http://www.flyaoamedia.com/pmdg-737-ngx-training

 

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Hi,

 

I've been meaning to Thank You for the NGX checklists you uploaded to Avsim Michael.

 

Cheers!

 

I glad you found them useful.

Personally, I enjoy both airplanes, the NGX and the T7.  Right now, most of the VA's won't let me fly the 777, and have me 'stuck' in the NG.  I would love to fly the T7 on the intermediate and long routes.  It's quite a lot of fun.  Given that I have no FO beside me, it does greatly simplify the workflow particularly at high stress times like visual approaches with rapid altitude changes.  I love both planes.  I think the price point is quite fair, and the eye candy is worth every dime.  Did I mention the quite cool Operations Center that auto-updates your PMDG stuff for you?  That's worth $90 all by itself!

 

Installing liveries is now considerably easier!

 

Of course SWA only flies the 737.  So I have to join or rejoin a different VA to fly the T7.

Hi,

 

Wow, your easy to please. $90.00 for auto-updates...

 

 

 Did I mention the quite cool Operations Center that auto-updates your PMDG stuff for you?  That's worth $90 all by itself!

 

Installing liveries is now considerably easier!

Hi,

 

Wow, your easy to please. $90.00 for auto-updates...

 

Yes, quite a good value!  And you ALSO get a FABULOUS new PMDG airplane free!  Just for buying the Auto-Update option for $90!

 

Great deal!!