Be interesting to hear from a lot of users in this regard since anecdotes abound..

 

Thanks for playing ;o)

In my honest opinion, I thought the NGX in general was quite heavy on performance so even if it's the same I would hesitate to celebrate the fact :-P

Btw, you have to distinguish. Most users say the FPS are slightly higher than the NGX. However, the VAS-Usage is higher as well....

 

So in total there is "light" and "shadow"..... It will, however, largely depend on your system and even more your settings.

For me, the 777 is 18% better in terms of frame rate than the NGX.

 

What's messing many up is the PFD and ND refresh rates that are high straight out of the box. Hopefully PMDG will fix this so that new users aren't initially scratching their heads.

 

Smoothness for me isn't an issue on my system. But if I had to comment, I'd say it was smoother. There's less on the VC to model, and less click spots required, hence better performance.

 

Noel... if you have any issues with the T7 on your system, I'll eat my smelly underpants.

The poll is really informational only due to the extensive variability in hardware, FSX and add-on configurations. The outcome is completely dependent on the specific configurations of the respondents.

I didn't vote because "significantly better" isn't an option.

 

Best regards,

Robin.

I didn't vote because "significantly better" isn't an option.

 

Best regards,

Robin.

Precisely, same feeling here.

 

There seems to be an erroneous notion pervading, a notion that "significant" isn't happening. An 18% increase in performance IS significant I would say.

I didn't vote because "significantly better" isn't an option.

 

Best regards,

Robin.

Sure, I'll chalk another up for moderately better as I think you are implying 'significant' is mo betta than moderately better? Both you and Martin are clearly saying it's better. 'Significant' really no more quantified than 'Moderate' I'm afraid. I probably should have used % improvements or deteriorations to eliminate the lack of consistent meaning for those terms.

 

 

Noel... if you have any issues with the T7 on your system, I'll eat my smelly underpants.

 

Martin if you have smelly underpants you need to get off your bum and go do some laundry!

 

I just bought & installed the T7 and it's really fabulous.  I did go ahead and disable High Def Cockpit and visually it truly is a modest change but the performance improvement is substantial.  Have to go back and do that w/ the NGX now.  Anyway, w/ FTXG installed, plenty of weather, LOD 5.5, autogen at Dense, at KSAN I'm locked at 30 and it's pure butter!  It really is on a par w/ the QW757 as one chap mentioned.  I think your 18% seems about right to me too.

Precisely, same feeling here.

 

There seems to be an erroneous notion pervading, a notion that "significant" isn't happening. An 18% increase in performance IS significant I would say.

 

Not for nothing, but if you're flying at 20fps on the NGX and 18% over that is 23.6, that's nice, but hardly 'gigantic'.  Neither number is 30.  Just sayin... (shrug)  Truth is, if you don't have an on-screen frames counter showing, most folks cannot tell a difference in 20fps and up.  Below 20 you can typically discern stuttering.  In a perfect world, performance would NEVER go below 30.  Sadly, we don't live in that world, even at 4.7 BILLION instructions per second, and even with DUAL GPUs, one of which is dedicated to anti-aliasing alone.

 

If on the other hand you're at 17fps on the NGX and over 20fps on the T7, that might be enough to make you happier stutter-wise by getting you to 20, the alledged 'MAFR' (minimum acceptable frames rate).

 

The plane alone isn't the problem.  It's the plane, plus the Orbx, plus the REX, plus the Vatsim Client, a really fancy payware airport, yada, yada... and how all of those things all at one time are interacting that determines the happy versus the unhappy campers.

 

I do use the Razer's newest Game Booster to free up as much system resources as possible, and I -do- notice a substantial improvement in my overall FSX performance, even with a lot of extra stuff running, like REX, PilotEdge (ATC), Southwest ACARS 3, and Virtual CDU along with Garmin Pilot (via Bluetooth on my Android tablet).  There are other competitors out there other than the Razer offering, but for a FREE utility, it is a must-have, IMHO.  It's made FSX 'work' for me, even in 32 bits.

 

Other caveats:

 

Orbx FTX Global = YES

Other ORBX scenery packs and/or UTX  = NO

Bufferpools=OFF

******* Bojete's FSX tuning site = YES

ENB weather addon = NO

FSDreamteam payware airports= YES

GSX (Ground Services X) = YES

FlightBeam Studios KSFO = YES

FSUIPC 4.x (payware) = YES

Garmin Pilot GPS EFB (electronic flight bag) = YES (bluetooth)

Virtual CDU for iphone or android = YES 

 

I don't go wild with sliders, and I have a pretty substantial PC platform.  Overall, I am completely satisfied with both the NGX and the 777 from PMDG.  Things run great until and unless I try to film with FRAPS.  Then things slow down.

Message recieved and understood Noel, am washing underpants now.

 

Glad you like the T7.

Good systems seem to be experiencing slightly lower FPS, vice versa for bad systems.

However, DU refresh rate is very important. If I set it to 15, performance is the same as in the NGX. However, 15 causes stutters when using VSync for some reason (only happens in this plane), so I have to run unlimited but then FPS is slightly lower (around 10%).

Not for nothing, but if you're flying at 20fps on the NGX and 18% over that is 23.6, that's nice, but hardly 'gigantic'. Neither number is 30. Just sayin... (shrug)

We said significant, which it is for FSX, archaic software that we endeavor to squeeze as many frames out of as we can.

 

Nobody said it was gigantic.

 

Gigantic or significant doesn't matter to me, because I'm lucky enough to experience frame rates right up to my locked 50 FPS.

 

And trust me, most people most certainly can discern frame rate above 20. Try panning around the VC AT 20 and then compare it to 35+

 

In cinematography 25 FPS is smooth to the human eye due to the blurring nature of the medium. In video games you need 35+. Unless the individual is remarkably insensitive to such things.

Glad you like the T7.

 

I lied a little.  I really like the work PMDG did with the T7.  But I really don't like the lines/shape of the exterior model of the real deal.  The quintessential tube liner!  I wish to heck they would do the racy 757-200 which has fabulous lines and fabulous climb power.   The 747 is such a total beauty & the 787 looks beautiful too.  T7?  Giant, high-tech hot dog w/ wings!  Someone needs to make a livery w/ a hot dog in a bun theme!   I haven't reinstalled my old PMDG 747 and don't know if I will as I only have room for one heavy in my virtual airline.

 

 

 I did go ahead and disable High Def Cockpit and visually it truly is a modest change but the performance improvement is substantial

 

Actually, the difference isn't that great.  An FPS or two is all, but all the little bumps add up ;o)

 

 

I do use the Razer's newest Game Booster to free up as much system resources as possible, and I -do- notice a substantial improvement in my overall FSX performance, even with a lot of extra stuff running, like REX, PilotEdge (ATC), Southwest ACARS 3, and Virtual CDU along with Garmin Pilot (via Bluetooth on my Android tablet).  There are other competitors out there other than the Razer offering, but for a FREE utility, it is a must-have, IMHO.  It's made FSX 'work' for me, even in 32 bits.

 

I've got a couple hours in the air now flying thru FTX PNW and don't see VAS getting below 1.4Gb w/ largest free chunk at 1.3Gb and I'm using quite high settings overall, heavy weather etc.   I use a 6-core CPU and assign fsx.exe to run at higher than normal process priority, and assign all of the other apps running to support FSX on the 6th core, leaving FSX to run on the first 5 for what it's worth.

Do the display refresh rates affect FPS to a high degree? I've been running both the NGX and 777 with 60 FPS on all the displays and haven't noticed anything (granted, I have my frames locked at 30, so running at 60 does me no good, but just saying).