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Just saw these posts on Prepar3d.com concerning a start up screen and licensing by WBard from Lockheed Martin.

 

Startup screen WILL be in V2! http://www.prepar3d.com/forum-5/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=853.0

 

 

"Anyone can buy and train or learn with Prepar3D, or join the development network and use the free SDK to develop for Prepar3D."

 

Link: http://www.prepar3d.com/forum-5/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=3199.0

 

If this thread starts to be hijacked by the "EULA Experts", I will ask Tom to lock it in a heartbeat!

 

Lyn

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If this thread starts to be hijacked by the "EULA Experts", I will ask Tom to lock it in a heartbeat!

 

You won't have to ask.... :lol:

 

And those that do attempt it will be banned from the topic and their post removed.

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<p>You appear to have missed the sentence before that where he says "<span style="background-color:rgb(246,246,246);color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;">Lockheed Martin is not an entertainment company, we do not sell products, including Prepar3D for entertainment."</span></p>

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<p>Now this is a potential stumbling block for developers/publishers who do make products for entertainment purposes, especially those who also make parallel products for training purposes.</p>

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<p>Just playing devil's advocate. I have P3D 1.4 and I'll almost certainly be getting P3D2.0 when it's released. We're never going to get LM to explicitly state that P3D can be used for entertainment purposes. However, reading between the lines they know there are lots of us out there who are using it just for that, and I don't think they're too bothered (and neither are MS). They're just covering their backside with regards to the terms under which they originally acquired the ESP source code from MS.</p>

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<p>The water regarding licensing is just as muddy as it ever was and we know what that means in terms of some developers/publishers not allowing their products to be used with P3D.</p>

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<p>It's a shame really because unless Laminar pull their finger out and start rapidly improving XP, P3D is all we've got going forward. I think FSX is just about hitting the wall now with what can be done, especially with regards to the VAS limit which is really going to hold back future development.</p>

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You won't have to ask.... :lol:

 

And those that do attempt it will be banned from the topic and their post removed.

 

Tom,

Thank you very much!

 

Lyn

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Woohoo they replied to my post there.   This is all I needed to make it clear. In addition to the above...

 

 

 

We are a simulation and training company, we license Prepar3D for training and simulation

 

Im licensed for simulation.  Makes so much sense but glad to hear/see it from the horses mouth. 

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Just saw these posts on Prepar3d.com concerning a start up screen and licensing by WBard from Lockheed Martin.

 

 

 

Startup screen WILL be in V2! http://www.prepar3d....ewtopic&t=853.0

 

 

 

 

 

"Anyone can buy and train or learn with Prepar3D, or join the development network and use the free SDK to develop for Prepar3D."

 

 

 

Link: http://www.prepar3d....wtopic&t=3199.0

 

 

 

If this thread starts to be hijacked by the "EULA Experts", I will ask Tom to lock it in a heartbeat!

 

 

 

Lyn

 

Well that's about as clear as it gets and should end any further debate!

I am going to hope on this as soon as it is released.

As should "ANYONE" else who is so inclined to do so!!!!

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I know, I watched the other thread in disbelief. Amazing what humans can do when the mind is used for speculation and assumption.

 

Bob

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Woohoo they replied to my post there. This is all I needed to make it clear. In addition to the above...

 

 

Im licensed for simulation. Makes so much sense but glad to hear/see it from the horses mouth.

Yeah licensed for simulation sounds good!

 

 

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Great to see that the startup screen is now confirmed to be in the initial release of V2. If you guys have any suggestions go over to their requests forum and there's an open thread on it.

 

It's cool that they are now just coming out and saying it can be used for simulation and not just training and that anyone can buy it. Glad they cleared the air on that and hopefully now discussion can focus on what's to come in the actual product.

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Licensed for Simulation. That is the term of the year.

 

(Thanks for the moderating, Its greatly appreciated)

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All things will come to pass. This simulator will be released and universally adopted by Flight Simulation enthusiast and words and interpretation will not stand in the way of people doing business. Never has never will :biggrin:

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All things will come to pass. This simulator will be released and universally adopted by Flight Simulation enthusiast and words and interpretation will not stand in the way of people doing business. Never has never will :biggrin:

That is, if this simulator indeed delivers better visuals and increased performance, mark my words, everyone WILL migrate to P3dv2. I don't know anyone who wouldn't. Well, if PMDG decide something with LM, I guarantee you  :)

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Licensed for Simulation. That is the term of the year.

 

(Thanks for the moderating, Its greatly appreciated)

 

 

Here is another statement from WBard:

 

Lockheed Martin is not an entertainment company, we do not sell entertainment products. Prepar3D is licensed for training, simulation and learning, anyone can buy it, heck if you're a student you can even get an academic discount icon_smile.gif being a simulation and training company Lockheed Martin will always continue to license Prepar3D for simulation, training and learning and we are excited about all the different ways people and companies use Prepar3D to train and continue learning.

Software Manager - Prepar3D® Team

 

Link: http://www.prepar3d.com/forum-5/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=2971.2

 

Pretty clear to me that LM is even considering part of their business as "simulation", both in who P3D is licensed for and how they view their company, as stated in the above quote.

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Yeah licensed for simulation sounds good!

 

It will be interesting to see if the product expands into other simulation markets, I could see underwater/nautical expansions for it if the market was there.

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I think you missunderstand what they mean by simulation, they do supply full simulation package of the aircraft they make. An example would be the F-35 as they provide a simulation package as well for training needs of pilots for both flight and combat.

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I think you missunderstand what they mean by simulation, they do supply full simulation package of the aircraft they make. An example would be the F-35 as they provide a simulation package as well for training needs of pilots for both flight and combat.

 

  I don't think I misunderstood the between the lines message. Their language has for P3D recently changed to clearly highlight "simulation and learning" and "anybody can buy it". This may be as far as they take the clarification but I'm OK with that. I will be purchasing V2.0 as soon as it is available for download!

 

As for the F-35 simulation, I don't think I could afford that one!! It would be blast to try it, wouldn't it? WOW!

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  I don't think I misunderstood the between the lines message. Their language has for P3D recently changed to clearly highlight "simulation and learning" and "anybody can buy it". This may be as far as they take the clarification but I'm OK with that. I will be purchasing V2.0 as soon as it is available for download!

 

As for the F-35 simulation, I don't think I could afford that one!! It would be blast to try it, wouldn't it? WOW!

 

 

I seen some vids of one in action ages ago and it did look sweet but i dont think they was using p3d on it ( they might of been but it didnt look like it to me ).

 

I could be wrong with what i posted but when they said simulation i would guess they meant like a commercial simulation package for pilots to train on, you know full cockpit and hi level of realism on a motion platform. As the techology is still getting cheaper we are seeing more and more full motion simulators based on single and twin engine GA aircraft and they all need software as its cheaper to use whats on the market already than create a brand new sim package including the planet earth.

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Anyone can buy and train or learn with Prepar3D, or join the development network and use the free SDK to develop for Prepar3D. 

 

Prepar3D is licensed for training, simulation and learning, anyone can buy it, heck if you're a student you can even get an academic discount

 

Both are responses by P3D developers to FSX users asking if they can use the software in a non-commercial setting. That's enough for me.

 

Can't wait until the beta is over and we hopefully start seeing some released material. Take it for what it's worth, but a poster on another forum says he's in contact with a beta tester who says the performance improvements are massive.

 

In a niche as small as flight simulation, it's great to have something to look forward too. Even if it doesn't deliver miracles, it's still a step forward.

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I wouldn't get too excited about what Bard said until that language makes it into their EULA. Even then I'm not sure it will be enough to sway PMDG to change their position.

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I wouldn't get too excited about what Bard said until that language makes it into their EULA. Even then I'm not sure it will be enough to sway PMDG to change their position.

Although Im an owner of PMDG software, If they don't, its their loss. They can put all the eggs in the xplane basket if they wish. With Xplane and P3D constantly developing it will only be a matter of time that FSX, like FS9 will not be a viable platform to develop for.

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I wouldn't get too excited about what Bard said until that language makes it into their EULA. Even then I'm not sure it will be enough to sway PMDG to change their position.

Quote from Rob Randazzo of PMDG

 

"The decision to limit the EULA on PMDG’s products to prevent their use in Prepar3d has everything to do with our contract with Boeing, our insurance carrier and our business model. In the context of the first two items, the decision involves the process of limiting PMDG’s liability in the face of legal action related to an accident outcome, or a violation of our contracts with the described parties who support the development of our products."

 

 

Their contract with Boeing is listed first and may be the biggest issue.

 

Here is the link for the above quote: http://forum.avsim.net/topic/384876-pmdg-releases-statement-regarding-eulas-for-p3d/

 

He gives other reasons also for their decision so to be fair, you can read the entire post.

 

My personal thoughts are that PMDG has every right to determine what is best for their business. Only they know the full contractual obligations that they may have with Boeing or any other developers and it really is none of my concern. I wish them a successful business as they certainly produce an excellent product from all the glowing reviews I have read. (I don't fly airliners so I do not have any of their products)

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I have no issue with pmdg. None of us know the details of their relationship with Boeing. They make excellent products. And I respect their decision. If I have to choose between P3D or pmdg I will choose P3d. Although I am hoping that someday market conditions or contractual agreements might allow the two to operate legally and fully supported. But I'm a realist and am not optimistic that will happen.

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Im a huge supporter of PMDG products. Have nearly everyone of their products, so respect their decisions, and business relationships and contracts. However I fail to see a strictly simulation product can have liability with anyone if you have the proper language in place. Simply put, the product is for simulation, and enjoyment and is not a license for training commercially. It is not to be used in real world. Anything beyond that, PMDG and Boeing are simply not liable. There is disclaimers for products everywhere for this reason that someone abuses. Im not lawyer and dont claim to know legal issues but seems clear to me there is a line between simulation and using it for training. 

Ifly doesnt have the relationships with Boeing obviously but they have similar wording in regards to P3D. 

 

And what happens if P3D becomes majority mainstream. Seems to be a choice between XPX and P3D and so far I dont see many 3PDs supporting XPX but rather are going with P3D. Then the business model has to change because the market changed.  These are all IFs but they would have to be considered in light of possible future simulation platforms. 

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tbh maybe this thread should be locked as it seems to be going the same way as other p3d v2 threads, all about pmdg's eula and it would be nice to see it left out of current p3d v2 threads as everyone already knows pmdg's stance on the matter and should it ever change im sure they will tell us.

 

gets to be bit of a broken record after a while imo.

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