I already have the B777 from Ramzess, which I like a lot. I'm trying to choose now between these short-hauls. I have the AXE product in FSX, which is very nice, although I hear that the XPX version may be better- I love the screen shots on the developer's web site. I don't have a good B752, so that XPX product is attractive just because I would then have one to fly. Plus it's a thoroughbred aircraft, it would be a Lamborghini if it was a car.....

 

I know this is a question without an answer, as these 2 aircraft are different and come from different times in RL, so I guess I'm asking about the simulation and the eye candy...

 

Any suggestions most welcome, thanks, Bruce.

Well, Dear Bruce, I know you were looking for a short answer of the "Buy this one" sort... I'm afraid I'll disappoint you :-/  As Scotchegg already figured out, it's very tough for me o become speechless :-)

 

It took me more than a month to decide between the 3 available Airbuses ( I knew about the imminent release of the QPAC v2, but I didn't know Peter's model was going to get a 3D cockpit..., which kind of delayed my decision for yet another while...)

 

My choice was to buy the NEO A320, the day before the 757 was released. I will probably buy the 757 later, unless we get an announcement of a close release of the iXEG 737, but my reasoning was that, since I already had a Boeing, and even knowing we can't really compare the 777 to the 757, the main Boeing philosophy is the same. Airbus is a different matter, and an aircraft I used extensively on it's Phoenix and Feelthere versions in FSX. The AXE was a great offer, and I had a great time "flying" it, but it came near the end of my FSX cycle, so, I believe I didn't give it that much attention, nor did I use their latest offers including the latest version - 1.16 - which I never installed...

 

I don't know how the 757-200 is really implemented in terms of flight and systems modelling, but it looks that a lot more features, including malfunctions, etc... were included in this model. What I know is that I enjoy their 777, although it completely lacks the implementation of the Boeing Electronic Flight Control System ( aka FBW ). I am trying to modify the ACF, using X-Plane's default Art Stab, and already arrived to what I think is a much better behavior, but I would really prefer to have sophistication on these and FMC programming details than in the graphics, liveries, etc...

 

That is also why I decided to give the NEO a chance. I, like many, have a passion for buses :-)

 

Is it excellent? No :-/ -  Is it good? Yes, I think it is, even with the inconsistencies / bugs I already found in the FBW system, some of them very plausibly simulated on the AXE for FSX, while other features look/feel more realistic in the X-plane 10 NEO version. All summed up I'd say that I can't say either is better than the other ( Aerosoft AXE vs JARDesigns NEO ), but of course the functionalities and sophistication of the FSX model win easily any contest!

 

I think that we are a stage in the cycle of evolution of X-Plane where we should understand that:

 

1) Sophisticated / detailled aircraft for X-Plane can become equally available. Let's not blame the X-Plane platform itself for there still being just a few sophisticated aircraft available for it. The near future will certainly bring a lot more add-ons with increasing degree of sophistication, such as the 777, Peter's Airbuses and the QPAC version, the NEO, Felis models, the Saab 340, Nemeth's and other helicopters...  It's a question of time...

 

2) X-Plane's intrinsic quality of weather effects modelling, and intrinsic fluidity / smoothness of simulation will, IMO, always create a much more plausible sensation of flying a given aircraft model than that of best offers available for FSX, specially if a sophisticated and carefully designed one aircraft is used in X-Plane 10...

 

3) BUT!!!! There are still no airliners in X-Plane 10 up to the standards raised by either PMDG or Aerosoft and even Phoenix and Feelthere, when it comes to the modelling of an NGX, 777, Airbus... 

 

The NEO will have an update to v2, and it's custom AP code (in the form of a plugin), thus getting "free" of the core X-plane AP still used for it's implementation, raising even more the level of quality of this Airbus when compared to Peter's and QPAC's offer. I believe that presently both Peter's and the QPAC offers may have more plausible / consistent implementations of the Airbus FBW system though, but I can only evaluate based on the freeware version of the QPAC ( and I didn't really find it that special... ) and the SUPERB A380 by Peter, which is a must have in terms of simulating the Airbus FBW system, even if very very limited in terms of systems and MCDU implementation... 

 

So....

 

Bruce, it's up to you to decide and you're up to a very difficult decision because:

 

- The NEO A320 looks like a great implementation of the type, and has a future that will bring additional features, some if them very interesting and not available in the FSX models, plus the JARDsigns team is very dynamic and always willing to listen to their customers and bring their requests to the next version they release. Also Peter's A320/21 is getting a 3D cockpit anytime soon, and the QPAC receiving new MED and PPRO versions during 2014...

 

- The 757 is certainly an already very good implementation of the type, with features that are new to their line of products, including the persistent aircraft state and malfunctions, and the quality that I think is unquestionable of FF's work, as well as their dedication to try to answer to user's complains / requests...

Well, I would say get an Airbus A320. Airbus works a little different than Boeing and it is fun to learn and operate something different. I own the NEO and the A320 by Peter Hager. Peter's A320 is my prefered one. It has very well done fly by wire simulation and the autoflight mode works perfect. No overshoots, stable like a rock. The FMC, as a Boeing guy would call it, is not complete, no SID and STAR entries possible. The panel is 2d only but a 3d panel is in the works. If you want the FMC perfect, go for the NEO. If you want a perfect flight model, go for the Peter Bus.

And to make it more hard for you, check out the QPack A320.

 

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And to make it more hard for you, check out the QPack A320.

 

This will probably be the best of the busses when they release their Premium version in about twelve months.

Problem is, in about that time we will all be thinking of changing into X-Plane 12 :-/

The day that XPX came in the post I bought the NEO. I honestly haven't flown it much at all, not even one complete flight, so I can't comment on systems. I really do like the modelling, it's very well done, in and out. Some great features, including (very rare) a realistic sound system for the CFM56-5B's.

 I have flown the 757 for about 4 hours in total now. It's very very nice. Best exterior model out there, except for the minor flap issue. Systems and features are out of this world incredible! One thing I really like is that over at the support forum, there isn't a single post that hasn't been replied to by a member of the FF team, fantastic customer support.

 I find it very difficult to choose between the two, mainly because the NEO V2.0 is due soon. Otherwise I would have said go for the 757. For the minute though, I'd recommend the 757, the A320 is not that far behind though  

This will probably be the best of the busses when they release their Premium version in about twelve months.

That would mean A320 number three then... :lol:

 

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I would wait until the bugs a beaten out of the FF 752 first.  Eventually I will get it, since I would like to have a good 757 sim.  I just got the FF 777 package not too long ago and it serve a nice need for medium/long haul flying for me.  My next purchase will be the JAR Neo 320.  However, I will get the FlysimJ 727 package first.

I for one would get the B752. It is the more "polished" one, especially thanks to Philipp's systems. Not that the A320NEO is a bad plane - just the opposite. I have couple of hundred hours in the Bus and it is getting better with each update. The thing is that I expect both Peter Hager's and QPac's Buses to be more advanced than JAR's Neo.

 

If I may suggest another plane - the LES Saab 340A. Currently the best aircraft in X - Plane. Sure it is turboprop with no FMS, but an excellent one.

Thanks for the excellent replies. Much to think about I'm leaning towards the 752, at least today Like many, I have a soft spot for this aircraft, a pure thoroughbred, albeit a little "old in the tooth" at the moment.

 

I spent three months in Nepal back in 1993, volunteering with a non-profit agency there (that story itself could take up a whole forum here, dealing with corrupt government officials there at the time). I made some great friends with some Royal Nepal Airlines pilots.... they had 2 B752's then (one was the only combi ever made at that time). They flew to Kai Tak and most other major Asian airports, as well as Dubai-Frankfurt-London Gatwick/Paris Orly. With only 2 in their fleet it was impracticable to buy a Level D sim for recurrent training, so they came here to the UA sim farm in Denver (I live in Boulder). We would meet up when they came over, and I was lucky enough to get into the sims with them several times, sitting in the jump seat alongside the instructor. I recall once that Boeing has issued an Operating Directive for owners to be aware of the possibility of having to recover from a 135 degree bank due to wake turbulence, so we "flew" straight and level, then did a 360 standard rate turn and encountered our own wake (really cool, so incredibly realistic). The sim was then programmed to do the 135 degree bank, and the pilots had do demonstrate recovery- an awesome experience! And they showed me what a B752 can do performance wise- I still get excited when I think back about those steep climbouts at full power.....

 

I also will never forget a copilot being testing to the point of emotional breakdown, landing with a severe crosswind, one engine out, and asymmetric flaps, all programmed to add to the effort of making a physically impossible landing.... the sim was that real that the copilot had to taken out of the sim in a bundle of sweat and having an emotional breakdown....

 

So, the old '75 has a soft spot with me... I was just wondering what you al;l thought, and thanks for your opinions.

 

Thanks, Bruce.

I recall once that Boeing has issued an Operating Directive for owners to be aware of the possibility of having to recover from a 135 degree bank due to wake turbulence, so we "flew" straight and level, then did a 360 standard rate turn and encountered our own wake (really cool, so incredibly realistic). The sim was then programmed to do the 135 degree bank, and the pilots had do demonstrate recovery- an awesome experience

 

I didn't know that Level D sim could model own wake turbulence!

Bruce,

 

I think then the choice is obvious - that 757-200 !!!

 

And, after your great post, I'll have one too :-)

 

Thx !

I didn't know that Level D sim could model own wake turbulence!

(I assume you refer to the FS "Level D".....)

 

 

There are still no airliners in X-Plane 10 up to the standards raised by either PMDG or Aerosoft and even Phoenix and Feelthere, when it comes to the modelling of an NGX, 777, Airbus... 

 

This is why I still stick to FSX for airliners as that's what I mainly (well...only hehe) fly at the moment. If I was more of a 'low and slow' type of guy I would probably be on X-Plane full time by now.

 

I have however been eyeing this 757 very closely since I also have the FF 777 which is now locked in 'stasis' on my external USB drive along with my whole XPX installation in pristine condition with all add-ons ready to use in future (I don't trash my XP installations like you do Jcomm  :lol:).

Michael,

 

the NEO A320 is comming along very well, with the upcoming V2 going to put it up / beyond the level of similar offers for FSX.

 

The FF 757 also looks very well done. Their 777 is also good, although I decided to fine-tune it a bit, trying to reproduce "Boeings' FBW " with the Art Stab options in Plane Maker ( so far I am satisfied, but still think this should be done by the aircraft plugin itself... ).

 

Then, when that iXEG 737 becomes available, it'll raise the level to even higher standards.

 

But regarding complexity, on commuters for instance, we have the An-24 and the Saab 340. I do not own the Saab, but from what I have seen / read, it looks very good!  The An-24 is a masterpiece like anything designed by Felis :-)

 

Another post at this forum has also given us the announcement of an upcoming A330 by the same team that designs de NEO A320...

 

Future looks bright for those who, just like you and me ( after all ) prefer that type of aircraft for simming :-) - I believe it's because we love eveything about aviation, but we also would have love being able to follow a carreer in aviation... something that wasn't made real, so, we ... simulate it :-)