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Dear Forum,

 

After tranig search i couldnt find an answer.

So please dont kill me if this question has been alrdy answered :)

 

I bought the 777 about 2 weeks ago. And after playing a but around and trying some things. I recognised(only online a problem) that the navdata is out of date. So i am asking if i Need to purchase new datas or is there a possibility to get them from pmdg?

 

There are some other questions, but this is the important one, may the other will get solved with new navdata :)

 

Krgds

Patrick

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Thanks for the fast reply, and sorry for the 5 posts... Always got an error wehen posting...

Rgds

Patrick

 

 

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That maybe fine for some, but with what they charged for the 777 to hand out old navdata is unacceptable. Now to fix the issue, I need a subscription to d/l the updated navdata, so that puts the TOTAL cost of the 777 at almost $120. I mean who is gonna just get one data set? PMDG should put on the product site for the 777, that it comes with an out dated navdata set. I have always been a strong supporter of their products, but this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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That maybe fine for some, but with what they charged for the 777 to hand out old navdata is unacceptable. Now to fix the issue, I need a subscription to d/l the updated navdata, so that puts the TOTAL cost of the 777 at almost $120. I mean who is gonna just get one data set? PMDG should put on the product site for the 777, that it comes with an out dated navdata set. I have always been a strong supporter of their products, but this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I don't see what the big deal is. Nav data is not PMDG's responsibility. The nav data included in their products corresponds to the date they were released. That means the 777 has 3 month old nav data. That's not that out of date. Nav data doesn't change drastically month to month anyway.

 

With everything that PMDG already stimulates, I can't blame them for not keeping our nav data up to date constantly. It would add cost to their production, and ultimately, to the user.

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http://www.navigraph.com/FmsDataDownload.aspx

 

You can use the same data to update up to around 30 products including the free and excellent  Sim brief flight planner.

 

Actually how are you planning your T777 flights? I don't know of any flight planners that don't require navigraph data so you must already be paying for it unless your using FSX planner in that case your up date :-)

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That maybe fine for some, but with what they charged for the 777 to hand out old navdata is unacceptable. Now to fix the issue, I need a subscription to d/l the updated navdata, so that puts the TOTAL cost of the 777 at almost $120. I mean who is gonna just get one data set? PMDG should put on the product site for the 777, that it comes with an out dated navdata set. I have always been a strong supporter of their products, but this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

The navdata that comes with the 777 was produced by a company that is completely separate and independent from PMDG. They (PMDG) are not in the navdata business. They made a special one-time licensing deal with Navigraph to include the dataset that was current at the time of initial release.

 

If PMDG were to always offer the most current navdata with their products, they would have to completely recompile all their installers every 28 days, which would hardly be practical. And who is going to pay for that? Navigraph certainly isn't going to simply give the databases to PMDG for free - they would have to pay Navigraph for each and every copy which they re-sell, and the only way they could recoup that expense would be to pass it along to the customers by raising the base price of the aircraft package.

 

Besides, even if you DID buy the aircraft with the navdata current on your day of purchase, that data is going to be obsolete within 28 days (at the most), so the "current" aspect isn't going to last very long in any case.

 

If you always want to fly with the most current dataset, you're going to have to bite the bullet and pay either Aerosoft or Navigraph for a subscription. It's not PMDG's responsibility to make sure your databases are always current, since they have no legal right to "give away" a product owned and licensed by a different company.

 

 

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The planner I use is web based, and free. At the very least, they should put a disclaimer on the page saying the data may not be up to date. Thats all I ask. And just where did I say anything about giving stuff away? Seems to me there are a lot of assumptions going on in here.

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The planner I use is web based, and free. At the very least, they should put a disclaimer on the page saying the data may not be up to date. Thats all I ask. And just where did I say anything about giving stuff away? Seems to me there are a lot of assumptions going on in here.

Always research before you buy. I have never heard of such disclaimers on any FS aircraft that uses an nav database.

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If PMDG were to always offer the most current navdata with their products, they would have to completely recompile all their installers every 28 days, which would hardly be practical.

 

Not only that, we'd have to update the tutorials for every product every time the data changed too. It would also allow people to effectively get free navdata (which again, is a commercial product produced and sold by two other companies who pay a lot of money for the source data and the parsing system that turns it into usable files for FSX addons every month so that we can all have it) for an entire year just by buying our extended download service and then downloading the installer again every month. Extremely impractical for us and not fair at all to Navigraph or Aerosoft to do that.

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That maybe fine for some, but with what they charged for the 777 to hand out old navdata is unacceptable. Now to fix the issue, I need a subscription to d/l the updated navdata, so that puts the TOTAL cost of the 777 at almost $120. I mean who is gonna just get one data set? PMDG should put on the product site for the 777, that it comes with an out dated navdata set. I have always been a strong supporter of their products, but this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

How long have you been around the FS scene? This is the situation since the year "Dot". What is unacceptable is your complaint about out of date data.

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Since I use FSX's flight planner then covert them to PMDG.rte files I could careless about the date of the data as my sims data is from 2006.......

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Just my 2 Cents, wouldn't it be practical if PMDG could make an agreement with Navigraph or Aerosoft for some discount? All would be happy, and Navigraph or Aerosoft would be manufacturer of choice :D

But anyway, my question was answered and i'm good with it ;)

 

Btw. i love the 777 and i'm happy that i did that purchase :)

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David its good you disagree, thats your right. Its also my right to voice my opinion on a product that I pay for. If PMDG, had an agreement with Navigraph to offer its customers a discounted price on updating the navdata imagine how many more customers PMDG would have. And as far as how long I've been around the "flight sim scene" try all the way back before FS was even released. I've been simming since the 5.25" floppy days. Remember you guys are the ones who said giving stuff away, not I. Where in any post did I say give the navdata away for free? B/c no where in the posts I have made does that appear.

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I invested not quite EUR 5 into a current navigraph cycle, about the time the T7 was released. So, right now, I have pretty consistent data (SID/STAR etc.) for basically all my aircraft and including the SID/STAR database of VoxATC.

 

Should I ever feel the need to update again (in 6 months, one year or, maybe, two years), I'll spend another EUR 5 for a complete update again.

 

I'm wondering how much that navigraph discount arranged by PMDG should be?!?

 

And I'm also wondering how a, say, 20% discount (that's just one single EUR!!!) should make people buy more PMDG planes, with the T7 priced at EUR 70 (roundabout) alone?!?

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Was just an idea, and a Year subscription costs about 25 if i remember right? So 20% would be 5€ discount, aint worth it for some but some People would be happy with it. But anyway i dont wanted to start a general discussion ;)

 

 

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David its good you disagree, thats your right. Its also my right to voice my opinion on a product that I pay for. If PMDG, had an agreement with Navigraph to offer its customers a discounted price on updating the navdata imagine how many more customers PMDG would have. And as far as how long I've been around the "flight sim scene" try all the way back before FS was even released. I've been simming since the 5.25" floppy days. Remember you guys are the ones who said giving stuff away, not I. Where in any post did I say give the navdata away for free? B/c no where in the posts I have made does that appear.

 

You didn't say so in so many words, but in your initial post, you were complaining that you would have to spend additional money (on top of the base 777) to bring the navdata up-to-date. If PMDG DID provide navdata current as of the date of purchase on each 777 sold, they would have to charge more for the base package to compensate navigraph.

 

Either way, you are going to have to pay more if you really want your nav data to be up-to-date.

 

The idea of having a Navigraph discount for PMDG is good, but I don't think that either Navigraph's or Aerosoft's business model is set up that way. (To offer downloads for only one specific add-on). Both vendors permit users to download databases for dozens of different add-ons during each monthly cycle, for a single per-cycle charge. 

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If my original post came across that way, then apologies. That was not what I was trying to get across. But I think we covered the gist of it. I just wasn't prepared to spend the extra money. I truly luv all of PMDG's a/c, own all of them. When the FMC poped up the navdata msg, I was thinking something was wrong, I don't expect PMDG to rewrite their codes for one customer, but maybe the idea of a partnership with Navigraph is something they would consider. Or maybe when u purchase the a/c there is an option to also purchase an updated navdata file at the same time. Just a thought.

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PMDG should put on the product site for the 777, that it comes with an out dated navdata set

Does PMDG actually state it comes with navdata?

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Every PMDG plane has navdata included. The T7 has the most recent cycle of all PMDG planes. And this T7 cycle automatically "updates" the other PMDG planes' navdata (it's a shared database).

 

This discussion should have come up years ago. And you should take the discussion to the other developers' places also: The latest free navdata provided by Feelthere is from June 2010.   :LMAO:

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