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FBW trim issue, fixed for SP1 or not?

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I notice, that in the pinned bug list, the FBW functionality issue still resides in the "under investigation" category. This is despite the fact that many items have been recently added to the "fixed" category.

 

I recall that Ryan said the trim issue had been fixed.

 

So has the trim issue been fixed for SP1 or not?

 

This is the main issue for me, really hope it's been addressed.

 

 

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I don't think he kept that thread up to date at all.

 

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I am interested in an update to the FBW fix as well!

 

The FBW model being all wrong takes all the fun in handflying this 777 :-(

 

This is the biggest problem the 777 has in my opinion.

(besides the 777 freezes and CTD problem that is, but I dont have those problems).

 

SP1 without a FBW fix is nothing.

 

FSX is still a flight simulator so the first thing they need to do is make sure this 777 actually flies right!

 

I hope someone from PMDG can give us some info here on how it looks with the FBW system.

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I don't think he kept that thread up to date at all.

 

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Actually it has been kept up to date. I've kept an eye on it. But the trim issues have remained firmly in the "under investigation category.

For the great unwashed like me, what are the FBW issues you speak of?

 

Relates to the trim. Rob above is a real world T7 pilot, himself, me and a number of others spotted that the trimming of the T7 was wrong. PMDG have said they are looking at it, in fact I recall Ryan saying it had been fixed.

 

The T7 should trim just like any other aircraft. Auto trimming by the fly-by-wire should only occur as a result of config changes. Speed changes are trimmed just like any other aircraft. In the PMDG T7, it will auto trim speed changes if you let it, this is wrong.

 

PMDG tell us that they misunderstood certain information supplied by Boeing.

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/418721-question-about-trim-on-final-777/page-4

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/421374-flaring-becomes-a-mision/

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And... they also said this was a trivial fix, given the structure of their systems simulation, so, I am sure it'll get fixed for SP1 !!! :-)

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And... they also said this was a trivial fix, given the structure of their system simulation, so, I am sure it'll get fixed for SP1 !!! :-)

 

Yes, they did indeed say it was an easy fix.

 

That's why I'm asking, because plenty of amendments have been made to the bug list. But the FBW wire issue has remained in the under investigation category.

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That's why I'm asking, because plenty of amendments have been made to the bug list. But the FBW wire issue has remained in the under investigation category.

 

I understand your point... I just don't want to think that, maybe, after all... it wasn't that simple :-/

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I know what you mean. :smile: That's what worries me. It rang alarm bells when I noticed it hadn't been transferred to the "fixed" list.

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This has kept me away from the 777 since the launch. I've been waiting anxiously for the SP1 since, but I trust PMDG will bring us the proper modeling of this system, they're the best at what they do! Let's wait.

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I wish they would kick SP1 out the door rather than waiting to release with the -300.

 

I read somewhere that they had re-written the FBW from scratch due to the issue, but hopefully resolved it.

 

777 is in the hangar for the same reason posted above - kills the ability to hand-fly.

 

Best regards,

Robin.

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Robin and Alec... yes, same for me. There's something about knowing that a major aspect of the flight model is totally inaccurate, that put's me off flying it. I won't fly it again until it's fixed.
 
I agree Alec, we can wait. But the fact that it's in the "under investigation" section, when other bugs have been addressed and transferred to the fixed category rings alarm bells. I'm posting this hoping that PMDG will take the time to reassure us that it has indeed been fixed.

 

I read somewhere that they had re-written the FBW from scratch due to the issue, but hopefully resolved it.

 

 

 

What Ryan said was that it was a simple error that resulted in a significant issue, so no major alterations the FBW. I must admit, I was very surprised by that comment.

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Wow, it really amazes me someone would park an excellent addon because of a small bug while flying other aircraft which contain far more inconsistencies compared to real world.

 

I guess you left your NGX in hangar too because of wrong cockpit geometry?  :rolleyes:

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I actually quited flying it because it is probably the most gorgeous aircraft I ever bought for FSX, well, together with the Majestic Q-400 which I also own and really enjoy now.

 

I am saving it for moments when I really have the time to put into a few detailled flights in this superb add-on. And since I acknowledge the problems with the FBW, and indeed they become very irritating, because it's not really an Airbus logic, but it isn't either the Boeing one, rather something - strange - in the middle... I then prefer to wait and be able to fully profit from an

updated model.

 

In the meanwhile I am making short range flights in the AXE, Q-400, and sometimes the NGX too :-)

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Wow, it really amazes me someone would park an excellent addon because of a small bug while flying other aircraft which contain far more inconsistencies compared to real world.

I guess you left your NGX in hangar too because of wrong cockpit geometry? :rolleyes:

It's not a small bug. You perceive the way it trims as normal. Real-world 777 pilots don't, I don't,  other forum members don't. It's completely wrong. hand flying is very unrealistic.

 

How do you know I fly other aircraft with more inconstancies? I certainly don't fly any other add-on's that trims completely differently to the real aircraft.

 

No my friend, I don't avoid the NGX, It's superb... and trims properly.

 

Flight simulation is about precisely that, "simulation" if our subjective sense of realism is reduced due to this issue then it's quite easy to see how one would favour an add-on in our hangars without such a significant error.

 

If you are happy with the aircraft as it is, with an unrealistic auto-trim feature that shouldn't be there, then so be it. But for me, Robin and Alec, the choice would be one of the aircraft in our hangars that has such a basic function modelled correctly.

 

 

 

 

I actually quited flying it because it is probably the most gorgeous aircraft I ever bought for FSX, well, together with the Majestic Q-400 which I also own and really enjoy now.

 

 

 

I am saving it for moments when I really have the time to put into a few detailled flights in this superb add-on. And since I acknowledge the problems with the FBW, and indeed they become very irritating, because it's not really an Airbus logic, but it isn't either the Boeing one, rather something - strange - in the middle... I then prefer to wait and be able to fully profit from an

 

updated model.

 

 

 

In the meanwhile I am making short range flights in the AXE, Q-400, and sometimes the NGX too :-)

 

 

 

 

Yes precisely. I have plenty of other excellent add-ons to play with, easy to gravitate to them when the T7 has hand flying issues due to the trim.

 

When it's fixed, I'm sure the gravitational pull in the direction of the T7 will overcome the pull from the Majestic Dash 8 Q400 and others.

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No my friend, I don't avoid the NGX, It's superb... and trims properly.

 

Actually, the sound of NGX trim is broken, so it's anything but superb.

 

The NGX cockpit geometry is wrong. The minimums and qnh knobs don't work correctly.

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I'm sure you must be in jest, but if not, those things don't compare at all in terms of severity to a trim function that's modelled as automatic, when in reality the trim is no different to any other aircraft.

 

But hey, if you're more worried about the sound of the trim wheel than a major anomaly with the FBW that shouldn't be there, that's up to you.

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I purchased the 777 since it's release but not flown it yet! I don't have much time and flown shorts in NGX or AXE.

 

For a novice in the 777, how this big affect the plane? How I can reproduce it?

 

 

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The trim wheel sound is extremely important in FSX because of lack of other references such a "tactile sense" when aircraft is out of trim. IMO, that's as severe as wrong FBW logic.

 

At the end of day, I enjoy both aircraft, fully aware of inconsistencies compared to RL.

 

For a novice in the 777, how this big affect the plane? How I can reproduce it?

You can reproduce it anytime you handfly the aircraft. Trim is awkward and it doesn't feel right, but you can fly it wit ease.

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The trim wheel sound is extremely important in FSX because of lack of other references such a "tactile sense" when aircraft is out of trim. IMO, that's as severe as wrong FBW logic.

 

At the end of day, I enjoy both aircraft, fully aware of inconsistencies compared to RL.

 

 

You can reproduce it anytime you handfly the aircraft. Trim is awkward and it doesn't feel right, but you can fly it wit ease.

 

 

So your thread-crapping here was entirely pointless, in other words.

 

Why am I not surprised ? Oh that's right, it's just what you do.

 

:rolleyes:

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So your thread-crapping here was entirely pointless, in other words.

 

Why am I not surprised ? Oh that's right, it's just what you do.

 

:rolleyes:

Said to see ad hominem arguments. From now on you are ignored. :Talk to the Hand:

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Not surprised by this either.

 

You see, this thread isn't about the NGX, or whatever else you should want to derail this thread with to show everyone how clever (you think) you are.

 

It is about a very specific issue with the T7, and has not, at least to this point, been answered.

 

Maybe you are having some difficulty telling the two apart ?

 

They are both Boeing's, after all.

 

Also a re-education on the context of an ad hominem attack might serve you well, as you seem confused there too. Your "argument" has no place in this thread. There is no reason to address it.

 

For anyone else reading this, I respond this way because this particular individual does this quite often. In the big-wide-internet it is known as thread-crapping, and this individual is a professional at it. I apologize for the interruption.

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C'mon guys, it's CHRISTMAS!!!!

 

I understand arguments from both perspectives. Alec, for instance, someone I consider as a reference in terms of oppinion for those flight simulation add-ons I decide or not to buy, and as a reference as well as a RL pilot, working on his IFR right now ( with the written exams passed already!!!! ), also quited using the 777, and I confess I had a lot of difficulty understanding what he was describing as wrong...

 

I eventually understood what he, and a few others were complaining about, and also started understanding why sometimes I was finding the aircraft strange to handfly, mostly when trying to hand fly it up to the last SID point/ intersection, or on approach.... It was not Airbus FBW, but it was not a normal pitch response either...

 

At the same time, I have had a great time tasting all of the excellent features of this great model, just as I taste everything good about the NGX, the Majestic Q-400, the Aerosoft AXE....

 

It depends on your expectations and approach to a flight simulator session. I tend to keep it simple, because I do not have the time to "professionally" fly some long haul flights including all of the flight preparation / dipstach phase, online ATC... Not that I wouldn't like to... but no time available for it :-), so, just as Lj points out, even buggy, it already has a LOT to offer of good and enjoyable ;-) and the first time Alec pointed to me the "serious" FBW bug, I really thought he was just being picky!!!!

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For a novice in the 777, how this big affect the plane? /quote]

 

As it stands right now, with the bug in place, the T7 is actually a little too EASY to hand fly, because at the moment, the trim takes care if itself. The bug certainly does not prevent being able to hand fly the airplane.

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