I think that to fly this plane is dificult: I should have classes  to get some "brevet"... Chiefly if you open a saved fly, all configuratios are gone...in plain air!

 

Is there a newbie condition so I can fly without stress? :wub:

The plane is definitely a challenge to start out new with.  However if you follow the tutorial flights, and refer to them a lot when creating your own flights the first few times, you shouldn't have too much trouble.  As far as loading a saved flight, not sure what the problem is there.  I've loaded a saved flight many many many times over the last 6 months while I finished a world tour.  Every time I'd lose maybe 300-1000 feet while the 10 second initialization took place, but everything was right there ready to go and the plane would quickly recover to the set cruising altitude.  Whenever you save a flight in FSX, the NGX will save the state of the panel and load it when you load that flight.

If the tutorials aren't enough, there's always the 737 training from Angle of Attack to go into more detail.

I think that to fly this plane is dificult: I should have classes  to get some "brevet"... Chiefly if you open a saved fly, allconfiguratios are gone...in plain air!

 

Is there a newbie condition so I can fly without stress?  :wub:

Hi,

The plane is very demanding as its real world counterpart...w/o any criticism or offense: not exactly the right plane for a newbie...(I've been simflying from 24 years...and I've still many things to study)..you've to be proficient in IFR flight, navigation, FMC and autoppilot, a/c system (a basic study at least)...attitudes vs. eng power and speed during climb, cruise, approach.. (..normal and abnormal procedures etc.etc...manuals and tutorials are your friends...

 

Good luck and Best Regards!

Andrea B.

One the easiest planes I own to fly. Very well behaved.

I don't recommend the NGX to a flightsim newbie at all. Just like in real life, there's a progression a pilot has to go through before he jumps into a jet airliner. If you feel overwhelmed by the NGX try reviewing your skills with double engine turboprops. And if that doesn't help, go back to the good ole Cessna 172.

 

Once you're ready for the NGX, work through the extensive documentation provided by PMDG. The very first thing you ought to do is the tutorial flights. Then you should read the FCTM. The FCOM is not meant to be read as a "book", but is meant to be used for reference.

 

 

One the easiest planes I own to fly. Very well behaved.

 

Well I don't agree at all (judging from your signature at least you own a King Air, you really think a 737 is easier to fly than a King Air?). Actually I think it's the most difficult Boeing series to fly. And a very challenging aircraft overall, requires a lot of study and practice.

We'll PMDG designed a sim which it's real life counterpart requires two pilots. It gets busy at times that you NEED two pilots and that isn't including emergencies. During an emergency even two pilots can get crazy busy. Now you take PMDGs darn near 100% replica and operate it on your computer by yourself? Yeah, it's gonna be very hard at times. That's why I am a fan of shared cockpit although no one has perfected it yet.

The 737NGX is a extremely challenging jetliner to learn to fly correctly. Especially if you don't have a background in jets. There are so many new terms that make the learning curve so steep.

 

It's not the hardest of the Boeing jets at all...the 727 is more complex for example. The 747-100, -200 and -300 series is far more complex. The 747-400 is much more similar to the 737NGX in my opinion. The 737NGX and B-717 have a lot in common even tho the 717 originally came from McDonnell Douglas.

 

I find the learning curve steep myself and I have experience on many other jets and am a licensed commercial pilot with an Instrument, Multi-Engine and Flight Engineer ratings. However, I am retired and learning the 737NGX as a kind of 'hobby' to keep my IFR skills up to date (as much as I can anyway). I worked in pilot training for a major airline for about 20 years. I instructed in full flight Level D sims. So I already have a leg up on this plane...yet I still find learning it to be challenging.

 

My hat is off to the 737NGX simmers here in this forum who came into it without a jetliner background...to master this plane obviously took them a lot of time and a lot of study. Congrats to you all...!!!

We'll PMDG designed a sim which it's real life counterpart requires two pilots. It gets busy at times that you NEED two pilots and that isn't including emergencies. During an emergency even two pilots can get crazy busy. Now you take PMDGs darn near 100% replica and operate it on your computer by yourself? Yeah, it's gonna be very hard at times. That's why I am a fan of shared cockpit although no one has perfected it yet.

 

Yeah, I have to agree on that. I've had to pause the sim sometimes just to do something in the aircraft, like tuning a frequency while trying to fly manually waiting for the moment I can engage LNAV.

Well I don't agree at all (judging from your signature at least you own a King Air, you really think a 737 is easier to fly than a King Air?)

 

My signature has nothing to do with what I own and not once did I state it was easier or harder than any King Air.. I own all of them if you must know. Sorry you struggle with learning to use a 737. IMO, The NG by far is the easiest Boeing to master. Similiar but not much different than the 757, Take the rains of an MD11 then tell me a 737 is difficult to master! BTW Tech an MD11 is a boeing. Learning the Airbus systems and the FBW was for me way more complicated.

 

It's not the hardest of the Boeing jets at all...the 727 is more complex for example. The 747-100, -200 and -300 series is far more complex. The 747-400 is much more similar to the 737NGX in my opinion. The 737NGX and B-717 have a lot in common even tho the 717 originally came from McDonnell Douglas.

 

 

Yeah of course I meant of the "modern" Boeings, I'd say the 737 is the most difficult to fly. Of all the 7- series, I'd say the most difficult is the 707, even more than the 727 for its handling characteristics and worse performance.

The A2A C172 is the way to go when starting.

I don't necessarily agree.  I'm more task saturated on some of the GA aircraft that I fly than I am in the NGX.

 

I know you all think that the sim needs to follow the real world, and that the real world goes from easy to complex, but that isn't quite the truth.  I'd argue that, as a single pilot in a GA aircraft in IFR conditions, you're worse off than a single pilot in the NGX in the same conditions.

 

The FAA doesn't certify aircraft for crewed operations simply because the plane is more complex, or difficult to manage as a single pilot.  The FAA certifies that on the grounds of safety and the likelihood that a breakdown in that safety by a single pilot could cause a higher death toll.

 

Example:

You can be certified to fly even the older King Airs as a single pilot.  Those keep you on your toes a lot more than a 737 would with all of its automation.  It's not about the complexity.

 

 

 

Rant aside:

Tutorials, tutorials, tutorials.

Maybe we'll have to make a distinction between the initial learning curve and workload at specific moments.

 

Flying a complex SID can be real challenging on a King Air given the amount of things the pilot must pay attention to at the same time. On the 737 there's the Glass to help you out, but first you need to understand the glass and have it internalized, that's the difficulty of the 737.

 

Initial learning curve of a jet airliner is very steep. The learning curve of a basic turboprop (no glass) is not as steep, but on some occasions the workload may rocket to the sky.

 

 

The learning curve of a basic turboprop (no glass) is not as steep

 

I mean no offense by this at all, since I tend to agree with you, but I take it you've never done any real world flying (at least in complex aircraft).

 

The learning curve is generally greatly affected by the amount of information a person must internalize.  There is a lot more information being thrown at you in something like a King Air than the NG.  Sure, glass might be a new concept, but in the NG you can easily run a quick tutorial and come to a basic understanding.  On a turboprop, there's not only a throttle lever, but you have a Prop lever and Fuel lever, and each of those must be managed manually.  Since they must be managed manually, you have to explain the concept behind how you are supposed to adjust those (whereas on the NG, you could easily say "throw it on A/T and let the airplane take care of it while you learn other things").  Of course, on top of all of that, now I have to tell you that the autopilot is relatively simplistic (no LNAV/VNAV to fly the plane while I teach you other things), and that, if you want to fly a SID, you're probably going to have to fly it /A (for the older King Airs).  Hope you know your /A nav skills with VORs and radials and all that!

 

Seriously...

 

When I worked at a flight school out in PHX, and had the opportunity to mess around in a King Air, CRJ, or NG simulator, it really gave me an opportunity to experience what I mentioned earlier: the simism that bigger is more complex, and tougher to learn is just all out false.

 

I guarantee you are more task saturated in a King Air on a normal basis than you are in the NG.  If you aren't, then you're not flying one of them correctly.