Using PFE but wanting to try PRO - ATC anyone give it a thumbs up before i buy it tomorrow?

 

Avoid at all costs, even the author has written it off why else is he (allegedly) coding a total rewrite.

 

If you want totally reliable ATC with absolutley no fuss getting it to respect your flightplan then buy Radar Contact.

There is a reason this software has had the following it has for so many years.

 

Your money, your choice, what is it that holds you back from trying Radar Contact even after all you have read here ?

 

 

Seems it can handle the route, SIDS and STARS better than PFE?

 

It does not even use anything near to real world phraseology, the author seems not to have any ATC experience whatsoever and won't even visit his own forum.

Visit the forum for yourself, be aware that the mods regularily delete any negative comments and get a feel for how happy the customers are.

Then try asking for advice  and opinions in the radar contact forum here at Avsim, you will soon notice a difference

Mad dog i'm going to give radar contact a shot mate!

Does it have a co pilot like pfe and how is the voice packs for it i hear you can get them from avsim library?

Only ProATC and VoxATC are able to get the SIDs and STARs correct as they read the required speed and altitude restrictions from the NavData.

 

The problem with ProATCs SID/STAR handling is that it spells out the names one letter at a time. Approach names on the other hand are hit and miss with ProATC.

 

VoxATC has the most accurate SID/STAR handling as it reads out the full names of the the SID/STARs.

i'm going to give radar contact a shot mate!

 

Just remember that there isn't a "complete" ATC product out there. RC4 has it's limitations like the other ATC products.

 

This is why I personally switch between VoxATC and ProATC based on the flight I'm doing. RC has one of the most accurate procedures, but there is no taxi instructions and SID/STAR handling more of the same that you get with PFE.

Using PFE but wanting to try PRO - ATC anyone give it a thumbs up before i buy it tomorrow?

You must be joking?

Mad dog i'm going to give radar contact a shot mate!

Now you're talking!

 

 

Does it have a co pilot like pfe

 

Yes it has a Copilot that can handle comms or flying tha Aircraft in the same manner as PFE i.e

Aircraft that utilise the default AP and radio coding.

 

Please read through the documentation here:

http://www.jdtllc.com/documentation.htm

http://www.jdtllc.com/

 

 

how is the voice packs for it i hear you can get them from avsim library?

 

 

The Voice packs are here in the library, basically the voice packs that come with Radar Contact but with background noise added, PFE has the same type of overlaid background radio noise although the volume is selectable in the interface in PFE.

and how is the voice packs for it i hear you can get them from avsim library?

The voice packs are good, but be prepared to give up some time. There are about 10 zip files and a lot of file juggling, however, thoroughly worth it.

Mad dog i'm going to give radar contact a shot mate!

Does it have a co pilot like pfe and how is the voice packs for it i hear you can get them from avsim library?

 

Earlier in this thread you said you wanted SID/STAR support, so keep in mind RC4 does not support them.  I use PFE and it does not support them through navdata, so you need to sort of "fake it" by putting them in manually to force PFE to not vector you past your last waypoint.  Personally I am considering VoxATC if I upgrade,  but I may just stay with PFE considering the developer has a new update (2.16 I think) coming out soon.

 

Like others have said, PFE may not be the most accurate, but it does seem to have the best voices, and for me that is important.  I do not like it's clunky interface though :)

 

 

Edit:  Like someone said in the other thread, it sure would be nice if these developers had demos, then you could just try them all and make up your own mind! 

VoxATC has a demo you can try. You have the basic Microsoft TTS voice and you can download some free Voxpop voices (links on the VoxATC webpage). If you like it then you can download some better voices but they are payware, There are four or five different makers.

 

If you don't have any AI traffic then you can install free AI from WOAI and VoxATC will control that. So to try VoxATC will not cost you a penny. If you don't like it then just uninstall it.

 

 

Earlier in this thread you said you wanted SID/STAR support, so keep in mind RC4 does not support them.

 

Radar Contact supports SIDS and stars it will just not assign them.

You will be asked at the proper time which type of approach you require, Vectors, Visual or IAP

If you choose IAP you can fly your star and will be picked up by approach once you are established on approach heading.

SIDs are available, if you file it you will be allowed to fly it, ATC will pick you up again at the end of your SID

 

Have you really read the Documentation ?

 

Radar Contact supports SIDS and stars it will just not assign them.

You will be asked at the proper time which type of approach you require, Vectors, Visual or IAP

If you choose IAP you can fly your star and will be picked up by approach once you are established on approach heading.

SIDs are available, if you file it you will be allowed to fly it, ATC will pick you up again at the end of your SID

 

Have you really read the Documentation ?

 

Now that sounds alot easier than PFE am i right?

 

 

 

Sounds like PFE, either way neither of them support SID/STAR via navdata as far as I can see (know that for sure in PFE since I own it).  Far as RC goes, I thought (based on what i read) full SID/STAR support was slated for RC5.   Not sure when/if PFE will have full support.

 

I am one of the few who doesn't find PFE hard to use, it is clunky though, but then so are many addons. :) LOL

 

One thing for sure,  none of the ATC addons appear to support everything.  You need to decide what you want, and buy based on that.

According to the RC forum, work on RC5 has ceased and the developer has taken to other projects. Understandable considering the time RC has been going. Whether it will ever see the light of day in the future we will have to wait and see. Support for 4.3 still continues via the forum team.

 

Have you really read the Documentation ?

 

 

 

Yes, and correct me if I am wrong, but  on page 92 it states:

 

"STARs, like DPs, will be named for a prominent fix or NAVAID along the arrival route.

 

By including each pertinent intersection along the published arrival route in our flight plan,

Radar Contact will not only allow but also fully expect us to fly the route as published on the

chart."

 

Does that mean that similar to PFE,  I have to provide the navigation aids that make up the STAR?  For example if PFE fully supported STAR's, all I would need to enter is the STAR and and it could find everything it needed.  Or am I wrong?

 

 

I have to provide the navigation aids that make up the STAR? For example if PFE fully supported STAR's, all I would need to enter is the STAR and and it could find everything it needed. Or am I wrong?

 

The Stars are already in your FMC, call them up from there and fly them, Radar contact does not care what Star you fly or what waypoints constitute the star.

What happens is that ATC will ask what type of approach you require as you near your destination.

Either select Vectors in which case RC will give you headings to fly to bring you to a point where you can intercept the ILS.

Or you can choose IAP which means that you will fly the STAR that you have selected in your FMC of fly the route on your plate, Approach will pick you up at the end of this and  give you your landing instructions.

Or you can choose a Visual approach in which case it is up to you how you get established on the approach.

The Stars are already in your FMC, call them up from there and fly them, Radar contact does not care what Star you fly or what waypoints constitute the star.

What happens is that ATC will ask what type of approach you require as you near your destination.

Either select Vectors in which case RC will give you headings to fly to bring you to a point where you can intercept the ILS.

Or you can choose IAP which means that you will fly the STAR that you have selected in your FMC of fly the route on your plate, Approach will pick you up at the end of this and  give you your landing instructions.

Or you can choose a Visual approach in which case it is up to you how you get established on the approach.

 

 

sounds good to me i'll be getting it tomorrow