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"Vintage" (30s and 40s) aircraft recommendations?

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Hi everyone,

 

Lately I've become more and more tired of the various high-tech navigational devices found in most modern aircraft, and increasingly enjoy flying classic aircraft of the 1930's and 40's period. So I was wondering if there are any that are considered "must-have" ones for FSX/P3D. Strangely, I couldn't find any general recommendations on this, so I thought I'd start a new thread - please forgive me if I've overlooked something.

 

I'm primarily looking for non-military aircraft, although civilian versions of warbirds would be fine. Modern avionics are a no-go, I want something without any semiconductors. :-)

 

I already have Manfred Jahn's C-47 and the "Uiver" DC-2. I absolutely love these two, especially the DC-2 which is my most flown aircraft at the moment. I've also bought the Sibwings AN-2 Colt when it was released, but even though I've tried very hard to like it I never felt particularly enthusiastic about it. Maybe I should give it another try one of these days...

 

So, is there anything else in this particular area that is worth a look? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers!
Steve

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A2A Boeing 377 Stratocruiser, best of the best. With Captain Of The Ship upgrade, it's even better. Love the addon to the bits, but I always have the feeling that the airplane will fall apart, especially engines, lol. You must be reaaaaaally careful.

 

I bought also JustFlight Vickers Viscount, and I LOVE IT. It's not complex nearly as A2A, it's not utter realistic (probably), but the immersion is just fantastic due to good flight model and AMAZING soundset. Pure pleasure to fly.

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As the topic states, if you look for 30ies or 40ies planes I would suggest updated FS9 classics like Lockheed Vega, Ford Trimotor and DH88 Comet. They work very well in FSX.

 

A couple of nice freeware planes are of interest in this respect, like RWD 8, Ant's Tiger Moth and DH80 Puss Moth made by Dave Garwood?

 

Olive Fischer's Ju52 should work as well...

 

Payware offerings are of varied quality, but I have liked the Fairchild 24 a lot.

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There are a couple of civilian repaints available for the A2A B-17 - you can fly it as a freighter or a survey aircraft   Unfortunately there's no civilian model, so you're still carrying machine guns.  You can also fly it as a contemporary airshow restoration (but with its 1940's instrumentation).

 

It's a pleasure to fly - beautiful flying characteristics, full AI crew support, lots of atmosphere (the radioman likes to find broadcasts of 1940's music and news).  Much easier to handle than the Stratocruiser.  In all, well worth a look and it's not too hard to cast it in a civilian role.

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That Rapide is a very nice plane indeed. I also harken for a seat of the pants plane, the Rapide may be it... though I am interested in a Tiger Moth, too.

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The Hughes H1 (circa 1935) by Stefan Hoffman, released by Aerosoft, has a lot of history and character. Complete systems modeling, engine failure, convincing flight dynamics, beautiful VC, impeccable manual, and challenging to learn/fly. It's a bit dated now so the textures are not as sharp as they could be, but still one of the best vintage addons.     

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Wow, the DH Rapide looks great! I have Garwood's Mosquito which is awesome. I'll definetly give this a try.

 

On the payware side, I've been looking at both the A2A Stratocruiser and the B-17 for a while now, but at least the Stratocruiser is quite intimidating due to its size and the amount of systems... The B-17 looks great too. I guess I could live with having a couple of machine guns sticking out the plane, as long as I don't have to drop bombs on anyone.

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In terms of workload, the Stratocruiser is very easy to manage if you add the COTS (Captain of the Ship) update.  It allows you to delegate nearly all the engine and systems management to the crew, and also adds a career mode which can be a lot of fun.  It's a harder airplane to fly than the B-17 - heavier and more powerful, with a lot of intertia, so you have to stay ahead of it.  The B-17 really lives up to its billing as a big four-engine Piper Cub.

 

For civilian B-17 repaints, the best source is OZx (Aussiex.org).  Most are by Jan Kees (Jankees) Blom, and you'll find them at the top of the "paints" category, before you drill into the subcategories.  There's a Danish airliner, a Canadian freighter, a Swedish passenger aircraft and a French survey aircraft.  Start here.  

 

Flightsim.com offers another French survey variant, a fictitious Red Bull paint, and a fictitious "Inter Island Air" freighter.  They're on this page.  

 

Finally, Mike's Repaints offers the B-17 that served as the aerial camera ship for Dr. Strangelove.  It's on this page.

 

As some members know, I'm a huge fan of Manfred's C-47.

 

The Dragon Rapide is one I've missed - am now on my way to check it out.

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+ 1 Dragon Rapide

I think the DH80 Puss Moth mentioned earlier is by Milton Shupe - a nice vintage tourer. Also of this era by Milton is the Spartan Executive and Beech 18.

Lionheart's (payware) Fairchild 24 is a great 'pack' - with Ranger and Warner engine models in both wheeled and float versions - very nicely done.

Classics Hangar (payware) Bf.108 Taifun is another pre-war tourer worth a look.

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And another +1 for the Dragon Rapide.  Just picked it up.  Beautiful piece of work, and lots of character - it's a bit like the AN-2 but with manners.  Highly recommended - and thanks to everybody here who recommended it.  Now to find room for it in the "real airplanes" hangar...

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Albaeo d17 plane and trusty dc3 one school planes not button pushing there, and they are noisy and leak in cabin

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FS Add-Ons Lockheed Hudson / Electra package is very nice, though the paintwork on them needs to be toned down a bit. Excellent models, though. A2A's Fortress is superb, though I too would like an unarmed civilian version for post-war survey work. Dave Garwood's Rapide and Auster Autocrat are a must.

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A2A's Fortress is superb, though I too would like an unarmed civilian version for post-war survey work.

 

With you on that.  Lots of civilian and SAR possibilities - freighters, aerial tankers, postwar US Coast Guard.  If I recall correctly, Lewis mentioned recently over on the A2A forums that he's tried talking up a civilian B-17 but to date it hasn't gotten on their schedule.  We can hope, though.

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With you on that.  Lots of civilian and SAR possibilities - freighters, aerial tankers, postwar US Coast Guard.  If I recall correctly, Lewis mentioned recently over on the A2A forums that he's tried talking up a civilian B-17 but to date it hasn't gotten on their schedule.  We can hope, though.

 

I agree. Personally speaking, for some reason I don't understand, I'm not a lover of war birds, and as much as I enjoy my B17, a civilian version would be superb.

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I agree. Personally speaking, for some reason I don't understand, I'm not a lover of war birds, and as much as I enjoy my B17, a civilian version would be superb.

 

It's sometimes a little hard to fit warbirds into a civilian environment, at least if your "back story" involves a mission of some kind.  I find I use the B-17 for weather observation flights - I can convince myself that the guns are some sort of instrument.  Or I land with bombs still aboard and let the weight represent cargo - in that case I avoid looking at the exterior model too much, to avoid the disconnect between military and civilian. And sometimes I'll cruise along the shoreline in the RAF Coastal Command repaint, looking at Henrik Nielsen's AI ships.  In that case the guns are less jarring, but it's still a bit of a stretch.  

 

When Jan Visser finishes his vintage VC for Manfred's C-47, I may wind up using it in place of the B-17 on many of those flights.  I use it a lot now, but the VC will really polish it off - maybe not as atmospheric as the B-17 but very close.

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Does that Dragon Rapide work in P3D? I've always thought the Dragon is a gorgeous aircraft, I've just never seen anything worth downloading until now.

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Does that Dragon Rapide work in P3D?

 

Works perfectly for me.  I downloaded it last night and only had time for a short flight, but it behaved perfectly.  All lights showing, no gauge issues, no system problems, no model problems, good flight behavior, good frames.  This was in P3D v2.3.  Based on that limited experience, I'd say it's good to go.  

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Ah, a civilian B-17 would indeed be most wonderful. And I think we're all still waiting for an A2A DC-3... I hope they get back to classic aircraft once they are done with the first "batch" of GA aircraft.

 

I've gone ahead and got the Stratocruiser, mostly for the wonderful all-round visibility. Naturally, I've set the engines on fire while taxiing. This one will need some studying... Next weekend maybe. Now I'm off to fly the Rapide. Yay!

 

 

When Jan Visser finishes his vintage VC for Manfred's C-47, I may wind up using it in place of the B-17 on many of those flights.  I use it a lot now, but the VC will really polish it off - maybe not as atmospheric as the B-17 but very close.

 

I'm also greatly looking forward to the classic VC. The C-47 is fantastic already, with vintage avionics it will be near perfection.

 

That being said, I really, really like the "Uiver" DC-2 a lot. Not because it's better than the C-47, but mostly because it's more challenging. Of course I have no idea whether these two sim aircraft behave anything like their real-world counterparts, but judging from what I've read from pilots who have flown both, they seem to be quite accurate. The DC-2 can be quite a beast! Especially with random failures enabled. Had some heart-stopping moments when an engine suddenly started belching smoke...

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Agree about the Uiver - it's wonderful but not at all tame.  I find I turn to the C-47 more often, because I'd rather relax and work with the airplane rather than against it.  For the same reason I put more hours on the B-17 than the Stratocruiser.  But I understand the opposite impulse.  It's an accomplishment to get the DC-2 from one place to another without breaking stuff.

 

I have a fantasy about Manfred's C-47, which is this: A2A decides to provide an Accu-sim module for it.  They've already modeled the Wright/Cyclone R-1820 for the B-17, so how hard could it be? (he asked, speaking as someone with no background in programming...)  Of course, nothing like that will ever happen - A2A seems to be pretty overbooked.  And it's not essential - the failure modeling on the C-47 is already very good, so the only thing that's missing is persistent wear and tear.  Not Accu-sim but decently close, and the price is right.  Still, I can dream...

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I think we're all still waiting for an A2A DC-3... I hope they get back to classic aircraft once they are done with the first "batch" of GA aircraft.

 

Heeey, is this wishful thinking or have you heard something in the pipeline?

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I'm surprised that no one mentioned the Aerosoft PBY Catalina.  It's super well-modeled all around and includes versions with either '40s vintage or modern navigation systems to fit your flying mood.  I love its VC and amphibious nature, though its turtle-like slowness can get tiresome. 

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Just found Ant's wonderful freeware Tiger Moth, what a beauty of payware quality. Lovely! Especially cool because I'm currently reading a flight test article about a pilot retraining on the Moth after decades away from it imn this months's Pilot Magazine ...http://www.pilotweb.aero/home

I think Steve is on to something, trying to navigate with the Tiger Moths maritime compass is tricky, and landing is equally hard, it took me three go arounds to land at a local farm strip. I read the web log of a guy who flew the entire length of Africa in a 1940s plane only using a compass, map and landmarks. That kind of challenge really appeals to me ....

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Heeey, is this wishful thinking or have you heard something in the pipeline?

 

Can't speak for DonQ but for me, it's wishful thinking.  I don't know that A2A has any plans to do a C-47.  IIRC, they decided a few years ago not to do one so as not to step on MAAMsim's proposed new FSX version.  MAAMsim folded, of course, and I guess by that time A2A had gone on to other things.  It'd be wonderful to see them do one, but on the other hand, Manfred's is very close to A2A quality - beyond Aircraft Factory even if not quite Accu-sim.  Once it has the new VC, I don't expect I'll be pining for an A2A version... well, maybe every now and then...


I'm surprised that no one mentioned the Aerosoft PBY Catalina.  It's super well-modeled all around and includes versions with either '40s vintage or modern navigation systems to fit your flying mood.  I love its VC and amphibious nature, though its turtle-like slowness can get tiresome. 

 

+1 to all of this.  I haven't flown the Catalina in too long - need to get it out of the hangar (or away from the pier).  Agree that you have to be in the right frame of mind for it - climb at 120, cruise at 120, descend at 120... but atmospheric and, of course, really versatile.  

 

My must-fly list is getting longer thanks to this thread...

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