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Hi all,

 

Not sure if anyone has raised this question before, but I could'nt find and previous questions of this type on the forum. Anyway, here goes . .

 

My question is this:  is there any easy way to be able set up the situation such that I can practice finals and landings over and over again without the need to start every flight from scratch every time? Although I have been flying on flight sim for several years, most of my flights have been on light aircraft, and its only recently that I 'graduated' to flying the fantastic pmdg 737ngx 800. So I am just trying to develop my landing skills so I can do fly the aircraft manually on the final approach and landing. I have to admit that I do have a tendency to flare either too early or too much and I either float or hit the ground too hard! I would just add that my autoland is perfect every time (nearly!). ['So it should be . . .' I hear you saying!!!]

 

By the way I do have the height call-outs enabled.

 

Cheers guys,

 

Dennis

 

 

 

 

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You could save a flight just prior to your final and then just recall that each time.

I've just remembered that I'd seen this FSiPanel http://www.fsipanel.com/Products.html I've not purchased it ...yet but I'm certainly thinking about it

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Take off from the desired landing runway and climb to circuit height. Then use the FSX map to reposition to an intercept heading. Just drag the aircraft symbol to the approach position you want.

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Kevin and Brian,

 

Thanks, I will certainly try out both ways. I was sure that there must be an easy way!

 

Dennis

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Dennis,

 

check this serie of two videos. It's the 777 but you can set up your NGX panel state about the same way. You'll be ready to go in no time to practice go arounds, touch and gos and landings.

 

 

 

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With your FSX flight at the point you want to save your flight and come back to that point:

 

1. Press the semi-colon key.

---The Save Flight dialog box will display.

2. Type in the name of the flight you want to save such as "Final Approach Practice".

3. Click on OK.

 

Now, you can re-load your flight right at this point and do your practice landings.

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I Suggest touch and go's. They are designed to specifically address your requirement to practice approaches and landings.

 

Flight Crew Training Manual - Chapter 5.80.

 

Brian Nellis.

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Hi guys,

 

Many thanks for your replies. Some great ideas there. rfresh737, I have been trying your suggestion, except that I found that when I want to repeat the approach, I have to close down fsx completely, otherwise when I reload the saved status, the aircraft starts flying the approach in the cold and dark configuration, which of course is not ideal, especally at 2000 feet or so!!

 

I think probably Brian's suggestion of touch and go is probably the way to for me. Thanks Brian.

 

I will certainly look at the other things you guys have suggested.

 

Dennis

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Dennis

 

There is a memory leak bug in FSX. This prevents you from restarting a flight in the same session. Windows will give you an error dialog and say its looking for a solution...if you leave this dialog up long enough, FSX will reload itself fresh.

 

I usually don't wait that long and I red x the dialog to completely shut down FSX and then I restart it myself.

 

The flights I've saved using the ; (semi-colon) key to prompt for a saved flight name, I have had no problems selecting the flight again when I start up FSX and click on the free flight Load button. That's how I restart my flights when I am recording my training videos and believe me, I restart these training flights a lot to get a good video.

 

But I'm sorry to hear that method doesn't work well for you.

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Anytime.

 

Return to this thread or see Dr YouTube if you're in need of tips for flying the circuit - the touch and go diagram is a bit short on the finer details.

 

Brian Nellis.

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I found that when I want to repeat the approach, I have to close down fsx completely, otherwise when I reload the saved status, the aircraft starts flying the approach in the cold and dark configuration, which of course is not ideal, especally at 2000 feet or so!!

 

Save the flight at the beginning of the approach.  Then load the default Trike/Ultralite/Friday Harbor flight (you may have to load it once from the opening screen and then save it under an easily recognizable name so you can find it from the flight selection window).  Once the default ultralite is running, open your saved approach flight and ready to go!  No need to restart FSX.  This works most of the time; occasionally you will see the panel not load properly and you will need to restart FSX

 

When you save your approach flight, be sure to have it in pause.  When it reloads, put it in slew mode, then release pause.  Wait for the countdown to start (may take 20 seconds or so to start), let it run, then get out of slew mode.  Sometimes in slew mode the aircraft starts spinning around.  Hold the 5 key on the number pad (w/out number lock on) to stop it.  Use the slew commands to get it pointing the right way as necessary.

 

No need to purchase an addon.

 

Mike

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Thanks guys for your latest comments and suggestions. At the moment, my present computer is really not up to running fsx, it strugles to get better frame rates than 3 or 4 per second! I have already placed an order for a new machine from 'wired2fire', which I am hoping to be able to collect during the next couple of weeks or so.

 

Apart from that, I am really getting well into the 737ngx800 flying - but my visual approaches are rubbish!! Hence the need for practice.

 

Dennis

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I am really getting well into the 737ngx800 flying - but my visual approaches are rubbish!! Hence the need for practice.

 

Practice your handflown visuals by setting up an instrument approach, either ILS or RNV doesn't matter, then handfly the approach using the F/D cue bars and keeping an eye out the window. I always use A/T simply because my cheap game controller throttle response is cartoonish. You should get proficient at the handflying in just a few hours, if you have experience with a light aircraft and maybe longer if not.

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A slow 3-4 fps frame rate can make landing a lot harder than with a smooth frame rate.

People vary on what is smooth.. I like to see 16 fps minimum to look fairly fluid, and 20 is

better. More is even more better..

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OK I now have a brand new pc, so I'm getting around 30 fps now. The other thing is that I have installed FSiPanel which does exactly what I want in terms of setting up the scenario for repeated approaches.  So far I have done something like 10 or 12 approaches using this software addon,  BUT with varying degrees of success.

 

I know I just have to keep practising, but I don't seem to know quite how to improve. In the past I have done lots of landings with GA aircraft, but getting my current aircraft (737ngx-800) to (a) line up correctly with the centre line and (b) flaring at the right point and with the appropriate pitch angle continues to be a real problem to me.

 

I am not sure what I am doing wrong so any guidance would e much appreciated.

 

Cheers, all.

 

Dennis Hickman

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OK I now have a brand new pc, so I'm getting around 30 fps now. The other thing is that I have installed FSiPanel which does exactly what I want in terms of setting up the scenario for repeated approaches.  So far I have done something like 10 or 12 approaches using this software addon,  BUT with varying degrees of success.

 

I know I just have to keep practising, but I don't seem to know quite how to improve. In the past I have done lots of landings with GA aircraft, but getting my current aircraft (737ngx-800) to (a) line up correctly with the centre line and ( B) flaring at the right point and with the appropriate pitch angle continues to be a real problem to me.

 

I am not sure what I am doing wrong so any guidance would e much appreciated.

 

Cheers, all.

 

Dennis Hickman

 

 

Dave's advice is on the money, but one thing I would also suggest is work on one thing at a time. In other words, focus on flying the approach over and over again until you are consistently coming in over the runway threshold on speed, on centerline, and at an appropriate rate of descent.

 

Once you can do that regularly, you can start to experiment with the exact moment and amount you need to flare in order to touchdown without floating too much or slamming the pavement. Until you are arriving at the flare point consistently though you will be chasing your tail trying to figure out the flare because there will be a bunch of new (and ultimately extraneous) variables each time.

 

If you've already mastered that, then I don't have much wisdom to share other than to say that if you have even a few knots too much speed you will have to bleed it off in the flare. If you have too much descent rate and then have to pull up abruptly at the flare point you will probably balloon quite a bit. I don't know if it is "right", but another thing I have noticed with landing the NGX compared to GA aircraft (simulated or real life) is that unlike the Cessna where you're "holding it off until it stops flying", you literally are flying the jet onto the runway. So you raise the nose a couple of degrees to check the rate of descent and then see what the result is and adjust from there. I tend to 'over flare' a little bit sometimes and need to ease off a little of the back pressure on the yoke to get it to settle again. If you 'feel like you are flaring' you are probably flaring too much in the NGX.

 

I hope that helps. If not, at least it was free advice LOL.

 

Congrats on the new computer BTW.

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As far as the centerline, keep the runway in one spot on the glass. Preferably as close

to the center as possible. To make it really easy, use the HGS. That makes lining up a

piece of cake.

When getting close, you want to visualize keeping the runway right between your legs.

 

Speed is fairly critical, so practice keeping your Vref+5 or whatever as close as possible.

Too slow, and you risk a tail strike due to the high AOA. Also makes for a false teeth rattler

for the ones in the back. Too fast, and you have to float too far down the runway to bleed

off speed. Only flare a small amount. You pretty much want to fly the plane onto the runway,

rather than holding off until stall like you would a small Cessna.

 

You flare, but only a small amount, and not until you are below about 20 ft or so.

Watch an autoland, and note how the plane only flares itself at the last few feet above the

runway. That's how you want to flare. Also, watch down the runway towards the horizon to

gauge how much to flare. That will take a bit of practice, but once you get the hang, you

can make a decent landing most every time. Don't watch the runway right in front of the plane,

watch farther down the runway to gauge when and how much to flare. You will get used to

where the horizon is, and you will get to where you can flare the same appx amount every time

by watching where the horizon, and the end of the runway looks in relation what you see from

the cockpit. Watch the horizon during autolands to show you about how things should look.

If you seem to over flare, push the nose forward with the yoke a bit to get back to normal flare right

before touching down.

That can also make for a smoother landing in the cases where your speed might be a tad slow,

and the AOA a bit high. If the speed starts getting too low, keep some power on until touchdown.

Will make for a smoother landing. But with the right approach speeds, you should be able to go

to idle at around 10 ft or so, and fly it onto the runway.

Practice makes nearly perfect..

 

BTW, I'm not a real pilot, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But I almost never have a truly

bad landing with the NGX. It's better to land firm, than to float 1/4 of the way down the runway trying

to hold off for a greaser. That's bad practice in a modern Boeing jet and will earn you a spanking by your

artificial instructors.   lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dave and Matt

 

Many thanks for your responses. Having watched a couple of youtube videos, I am now trying to use the string fixed to the screen technique (actually a piece of red cotton!) and I think that might eventually get me there.

At the moment, My biggest problem seems to be maintaining the centre line as I get nearer to the touch down, I think I tend to over-correct and end up going too far to one side and then to far to the other, so that when I do touch down I am nowhere near the centre line!

 

I just know I will crack it one day, so I will just have to keep trying. . .

 

Dennis

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As Captain Joe says, Practice, Practice, Practice, nothing to it but to do it. :)

Also, try finding a spot near the lower part of the cockpit window that usually works for you. A great thing to consider is using WCA, to correct for the wind drift and stay on the same track.

 

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