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Aerosoft Airbus vs. Rookie

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I've just hit the 1000 post here, and I will ask something that will shock most of you. So, after years of simming, and a year trying to enter "serious waters", means learn FMC , LNAV, VNAV and other "advanced" mambo jumbo, I'm asking you this now, prepare... can Aerosoft A318/319/320/321 be flown as a Project Airbus V3 or default Airbus A321?  :ph34r:  Means, I power up the plane, enter flightplan via default FSX planner, control the AP like in a default Airbus, no LNAV and VNAV stuff. To be honest I bought AXE and yesterday A318/319 just because of an awesome immersion this addons has - checklists, cabin crew, real coppilot, etc. I really don't have nerves to learn that "advanced" stuff just to be able to do a full flight from A to B and enjoy the immersion.

 

Of course if the answer will be "No, it can't" I will try to learn it for the sake of flightsim community :lol: , but I always tend to keep it simple like in Project Airbus V3, and enjoy the immersion with FSPax, ETA, landings, procedures, ATC.

 

Thanks for being full of understanding. ^_^

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As far as I know it can't be flown like the default A321. Just fly the tutorial and you'll know everything you need to know.

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You must learn the 'advanced stuff' to fly the AS 'Buses - with the assistance of the built in checklists and co-pilot it really isn't difficult.  At a minimum you must read Vol1 and Vol6 of the included documentation and go through the step by step tutorial in Vol6.

 

DJ

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Technically you can operate the A320 using just HDG SELECT, Vertical speed & altitude hold. You don't even need to program the FMGS, just enter the departure and arrival arrival airport.  You can if you wish just fly raw data in rose mode on the Nav display just like the default fs aircraft.  This is done a lot in circuit training real world.

 

Personally I say follow the advice of others here, spend a little time studying and it will be rewarding in the end,  The AXE is still just a medium level sim, it wont take too long to get up and running

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Technically you can operate the A320 using just HDG SELECT, Vertical speed & altitude hold.

 

I've tried that and the plane didn't respond to any of that, like in default. That's why I mentioned VNAV and LNAV, thinking I didn't activated LNAV so it didn't respond to HDG SELECT. Turn on Flight Director,, AP, HDG Select and it didn't respond.

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I've tried that and the plane didn't respond to any of that, like in default. That's why I mentioned VNAV and LNAV, thinking I didn't activated LNAV so it didn't respond to HDG SELECT. Turn on Flight Director,, AP, HDG Select and it didn't respond.

 

Well you still need to understand the basics, you can push or pull HDG & ALT to achieve different results.  You pull the heading selector for HDG select, pull the altitude selector for open climb or descent.     Selected modes have nothing to do with  LNAV/VNAV (Managed in Airbus terms)

 

The basics are - 

 

SELECTED  (Pull) -  HDG select, Vertical speed, open climb/descent = You are steering the aircraft through the autopilot panel (FCU) just like the default FS aircraft.

 

MANAGED (Push)  -  Equivalent to Boeing's LNAV/VNAV   you are flying the aircraft through a pre-programmed FMGS 

 

A simple way to visualize the push and pull philosophy.

 

Push - You are pushing to give the aircraft full control.

 

Pull - You are pulling  to take back control and steer through the autopilot

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The moment you switch AP on, the plane will fly automatically. You will need to pull the selector knobs in order to tell the AP to use the values you entered, otherwise the aircraft will fly using its own calculated HDG, SPD and ALT. This is, I believe, a huge difference to Boeing AP logic, where you would press another button to switch between the desired modes.

 

A simple thing to remember what pushing and pulling the selectors does: Pushing the selector away from you (to the plane) = give control away (over to the plane), pull them in your direction (away from the plane)= take control (away from the plane)

 

Edit: Rob was faster

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Also, get familiar with using the phrase..."What is it doing now?" lol

 

But honestly. I would take your time, do some reading from the volumes listed above and enjoy it.

On the Right MFD, you can select like stated to have checklists and an FO. This will do 90% of the flight for you. It really is a fun aircraft to learn. There is a lot of tech in these planes.....but it is easy to learn.

 

 

I came from nothing but Boeing addons, and I have converted over unless someone comes out with a B717! The logic of an Airbus is just awesome.

Also a lot of youtube videos.

 

For the autopilot though, everyone is right. They are three way knobs. Push them in to give all control aways, pull them to you to take control and then turn them to command.

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Thanks guys, these posts are very helpful! Especially that push/pull philosophy, didn't knew that. *blush*

I will certainly try to learn the plane with the given tutorials, but for the starters I will enjoy some flights with the basic AP mode (pull), I like to control the plane, full FMC automation is boring.

 

When entering flightplans, can I use default flight planner and import the flightplan into FMC, or I must use FMC flight planning? Can I choose high altitude routes, VOR-to-VOR, or direct, or the FMC will make a flightplan with AIRAC, etc?

 

Also I was trying hard to accept Boeing addons in my hangar (QW 757 and PMDG 737 mostly). They are awesome addons, but I simply can't get over that messy cockpits, with buttons placed in random fashion, lol. What I like the most in QW 757 is simple way to enter ILS parameters on the glareshield, and it is a very rewarding plane on landings.

 

Airbus love is something else, my first love, and I can't get over it that easy. :)

 

Thanks for the help once again. I will play tonight with the AP a bit, simple A to B flight.

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I'm not sure on importing default FSX flight plans, as far as I am concerned I have always used the default fligth planer and entered the plans into the FMC manually with the A320/321, maybe that has been changed for the A318/319? But anyway, you will need to enter a flight plan some way or another, the FMC will not build it for you (although that would be a great option for lazy simmers like myself!).

 

Since you say "full FMC automation is boring", you could build a VOR to VOR fligth plan, and try to hand-fly it. Not as hard as in most other planes to do that, as the FBW system is incredibly helpful: You don't have to trim or antything, the bird will just keep on following the side-stick inputs as long as you don't tell it to do something else. But still you have to be aware of your progress, as you migh miss important turns...

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I'm back to AXE, done with NGX. :)

Currently starting to learn via Vol.1 and Vol.6 tutorials, primarily to program the FMGS, but when I flying it manually around the airport to practice takeoffs, landings and to get used to flight physics, I can say it is very irritating when you push the throttle to CL or TOGA, the autothrottle will activate. I simply don't know how to keep A/T off like in NGX to practice manual flight with complete manual throttle control like on finals.

 

Is there any way to avoid activating A/T automatically?

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I'm back to AXE, done with NGX. :)

Currently starting to learn via Vol.1 and Vol.6 tutorials, primarily to program the FMGS, but when I flying it manually around the airport to practice takeoffs, landings and to get used to flight physics, I can say it is very irritating when you push the throttle to CL or TOGA, the autothrottle will activate. I simply don't know how to keep A/T off like in NGX to practice manual flight with complete manual throttle control like on finals.

 

Is there any way to avoid activating A/T automatically?

Easiest way to disengage the ATHR is by Shift + R (known as the instinctive disconnect which is the red button on the throttles). or by idling the throttles then throttling back up again. 

 

A/THR only arms when:

- On ground
• By pushing the A/THR pb on the FCU when the engines are not running, or
• By setting the thrust levers at the FLX or TOGA detent when the engines are running.
- In flight
• By pushing the A/THR pb on the FCU while the thrust levers are out of the active range, or
• While A/THR is active (“A/THR” white on the FMA), by setting all thrust levers beyond the CL
detent or at least one lever above the MCT detent, or
• By engaging the go around mode.

 

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Easiest way to disengage the ATHR is by Shift + R (known as the instinctive disconnect which is the red button on the throttles). or by idling the throttles then throttling back up again. 

 

A/THR only arms when:

- On ground
• By pushing the A/THR pb on the FCU when the engines are not running, or
• By setting the thrust levers at the FLX or TOGA detent when the engines are running.
- In flight
• By pushing the A/THR pb on the FCU while the thrust levers are out of the active range, or
• While A/THR is active (“A/THR” white on the FMA), by setting all thrust levers beyond the CL
detent or at least one lever above the MCT detent, or
• By engaging the go around mode.

 

 

Thanks for all the info!

But is there any way to avoid A/THR arming at FLX or TOGA detent? I mean every time when I push the throttle to FLX or TOGA when practicing, A/THR will arm, so I must deactivate it every single time.

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Thanks for all the info!

But is there any way to avoid A/THR arming at FLX or TOGA detent? I mean every time when I push the throttle to FLX or TOGA when practicing, A/THR will arm, so I must deactivate it every single time.

Short answer, no (at least not in the sim as its non-SOP). Long answer, Depends on what you do:

 

if you are doing touch and gos, and firewall the throttle, then yes your ATHR will arm no matter what.

 

If you are doing approach and go around, as long as your FMGS is not programmed, ATHR wont arm.

 

Shift + R is still the easiest way to get used to the Airbus Philosophy. You should practice using the ATHR, then disengaging on final by lowering the throttles to the current thrust target of ATHR (donuts on ECAM) then instinctive disconnect.

 

Remember that turning the FD off, forces the A/THR when active into SPEED mode.

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Persevere Pe11e - I was a pure Project Airbus 320 series simmer for a long, long time, with no payware aircraft at all. I cracked after being fed up of not being called a retard when I landed  :P . So I bought the Aerosoft A320/321 (this is all in P3D but it shouldn't make any difference). I too hoped that I could just fire an FSX/P3D flight planner created plan at the FMC but it wasn't so. So I took the time to do the (very good) tutorial and realised that, with the checklists and co-pilot on, it really wasn't that difficult. I now start from cold and dark, and yes does take longer than in the PA320 to get going, but quite a lot of that is just waiting for the INS to align.

 

In respect of a flight plan, you may want to get a flight planner of some sort. I quickly got bored of trying to find the routes on the net, and keying them all in. So I bought PFPX, which I now use for planning. It's easy to use and has a pretty good interface - better than EFB and miles better than FSCommander, and best of all it exports directly to the Aerosoft Airbus format.

 

But then you get into the problems of nav data AIRAC cycles...  :lol:

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Thanks all for suggestions!

I'm currently in FSX reading Vol.6 and I'm stuck with entering flight plan, having a problem to find Airways for INN waypoint, it takes very short time to become frustrated. :) So even with good tutorial, I'm stuck.

 

 Browse (using the button with arrow showing up) to RTT and push the respective LSK L next to RTT
 Enter INN into the scratchpad and push the respective LSK 3R next to NEXT WPT
 Select INN = LSK1L
 Browse (using the button with arrow showing up or down) to INN and push the respective LSK L next to INN
 Select AIRWAYS = LSK5R
 
It's very easy but somehow I've got stuck and can't find any airways for INN. Slected INN, then AIRWAYS, and there is a blank screen only to enter VIA with a scratchpad, no single airway to select.
 
EDIT: Nevermind, figured it out! :)
 
 

Persevere Pe11e - I was a pure Project Airbus 320 series simmer for a long, long time, with no payware aircraft at all. I cracked after being fed up of not being called a retard when I landed  :P . So I bought the Aerosoft A320/321 (this is all in P3D but it shouldn't make any difference). I too hoped that I could just fire an FSX/P3D flight planner created plan at the FMC but it wasn't so. So I took the time to do the (very good) tutorial and realised that, with the checklists and co-pilot on, it really wasn't that difficult. I now start from cold and dark, and yes does take longer than in the PA320 to get going, but quite a lot of that is just waiting for the INS to align.

 

In respect of a flight plan, you may want to get a flight planner of some sort. I quickly got bored of trying to find the routes on the net, and keying them all in. So I bought PFPX, which I now use for planning. It's easy to use and has a pretty good interface - better than EFB and miles better than FSCommander, and best of all it exports directly to the Aerosoft Airbus format.

 

But then you get into the problems of nav data AIRAC cycles...  :lol:

 

Me too! PA 320 was the best way to go, until the moment I was fed up with FDE and strange FBW. Somehow I've got used to ugly cockpit textures and no cockpit crew...

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Well on my tutorial flight, nothing worked as it should. It was climbing at 7000ft/min, climb checklist is grayed out, so automatically cruise checklist is also unavailable. Airplane didn't followed  entered CRZ altitude FL310, it continued to climb, so I must to bring it back down with selected alt mode. This is way too hard, because if you miss ONE item, the whole flight will go downhill. And I don't know what item I missed after take off, I was very busy panicking since the airplane was flying at 320kts and kept accelerating. Better to watch some YT videos and see what I missed. This is utterly frustrating, and AXE is not complex addon, lol.

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Well on my tutorial flight, nothing worked as it should. It was climbing at 7000ft/min, climb checklist is grayed out, so automatically cruise checklist is also unavailable. Airplane didn't followed  entered CRZ altitude FL310, it continued to climb, so I must to bring it back down with selected alt mode. 

 

Make dam sure you have no trim settings applied to any hardware such as applying trim to a throttle quadrant handle - I have found that this bird and actually many others will not work - even my hawker works correctly now after deleting trim from an axis - I assigned that to a toggle switch on my saitek throttle quadrant which you dont use much anyway as you should be in a manged mode anyway

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Make dam sure you have no trim settings applied to any hardware such as applying trim to a throttle quadrant handle - I have found that this bird and actually many others will not work - even my hawker works correctly now after deleting trim from an axis - I assigned that to a toggle switch on my saitek throttle quadrant which you dont use much anyway as you should be in a manged mode anyway

 

Hmmmm must check that. Anyway what in the world trim have with the ALT CRZ, CLB, or checklists? :D

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Hmmmm must check that. Anyway what in the world trim have with the ALT CRZ, CLB, or checklists? :D

 

None of those will work correctly if you have trim assigned - been there done that countless hours of airbus not work as it should - guess what eliminate that it works not saying this is your problem - just passing my learning's on - do you have trim assigned to something ?

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None of those will work correctly if you have trim assigned - been there done that countless hours of airbus not work as it should - guess what eliminate that it works not saying this is your problem - just passing my learning's on - do you have trim assigned to something ?

 

Awesome, never thought of trim until you told me to check it. I'm still not sure do I have it assigned to an axis, must check. I will be pretty  frustrated (I already am pretty much) if I didn't assigned trim to any axis, means that I must solve this problem in a hard way.

 

One thing that annoys me pretty much is a strict linearity with bith fs2crew and AXE checklists. If you skip one single item, you can't proceed, or neither skip it. I expect some degree of flexibility, not none at all. If I didn't get everything right for climb or cruise checklist, everything after that will be unavailable,ruining the whole flight.

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Awesome, never thought of trim until you told me to check it. I'm still not sure do I have it assigned to an axis, must check. I will be pretty  frustrated (I already am pretty much) if I didn't assigned trim to any axis, means that I must solve this problem in a hard way.

 

Let me know how you make out - most people do assign a trim control on a piece of hardware - big mistake on these managed birds

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As an alternate to PFPX, there's always Simbrief which will give you a pretty accurate routing with optional plans. Fuel Planner and also the ability to export to the bus. I use it on pretty much all my payware. and it's free, just need to register.

 

http://www.simbrief.com/home/

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Make sure that all the items in the autopilot are in 'managed' mode - ie with a dot next to them by pushing the knob. If you forget that then trying to follow the tutorial won't work. Keep trying though, it took me a number of goes to complete a flight...

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