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Unfortunately,

 

I remain periodically stuck with the VAS monster on this aircraft (shudder to think what is going to happen with future aircraft).  So, when the FSUIPC "ding ding ding" starts, I know I can at least save the flight and somewhat recover.

 

Here is the problem: the interior recovers/reloads just fine, but the exterior does not.  The center of the fans has no texture on the external model and the test flight extras (little lines that come off the tail) are showing. This is with the Lufthansa 777F, which is about all I fly (99% of the time).

 

I realize that even going outside is a VAS factor, but I want to look at the outside sometimes.  In any case, why do I have these model anomalies when I reload a saved flight?

 

I am I reloading wrong?  Should I pick the plane and THEN pick the flight?

 

Thanks for any illumination.

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Unfortunately,

 

I remain periodically stuck with the VAS monster on this aircraft (shudder to think what is going to happen with future aircraft).  So, when the FSUIPC "ding ding ding" starts, I know I can at least save the flight and somewhat recover.

 

Here is the problem: the interior recovers/reloads just fine, but the exterior does not.  The center of the fans has no texture on the external model and the test flight extras (little lines that come off the tail) are showing. This is with the Lufthansa 777F, which is about all I fly (99% of the time).

 

I realize that even going outside is a VAS factor, but I want to look at the outside sometimes.  In any case, why do I have these model anomalies when I reload a saved flight?

 

I am I reloading wrong?  Should I pick the plane and THEN pick the flight?

 

Thanks for any illumination.

If I reload a flight, I select the saved situation directly from the menu (without loading the aircraft first). So far, I've never encountered a problem with the aircraft model. Have you tried re-installing the livery or saving and then reloading a different livery? Maybe the problem lies there.

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I am I reloading wrong? Should I pick the plane and THEN pick the flight?

 

If you are directly loading the flight on top of an existing PMDG or other complex aircraft, you will have many, unpredictable problems.

 

Try loading the default ultralite/trike/Friday Harbor flight in between, or at least a default Cessna.  Best is to restart FSX.  When FSX starts, you should see the default/Friday Harbor flight in the startup window, but you don't have to actually load it.

 

If you have a registered version of FSUIPC, you can activate Autosave which will continually save your flight and make it easy to restart a flight where you left off.

 

Have you read the introductory manual, especially on dealing w/ memory issues?

 

Mike

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The procedure is pretty straight forward but requires the prerequisite below:

_ In FSX startup window as said above, you must have the default Trike and Friday Harbour when starting FSX. Then before launching your flight at the beginning, you can select from the startup window your aircraft / airport / date-time.

 

Now to resume from saved flight:

- Save your flight

- Reboot FSX

- load your flight previously saved directly from the startup window

- let the aircraft reload its configuration (15 s) then here you go! like if nothing happens. 

I do it in long haul flights with high quality departure and arrival airports and the total process takes 3 minutes in my system.

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Thanks.

 

I usually load the PMDG 777 directly when I first start as we are told this is possible in Tutorial #1 (PMDG-777-Tutorial-1.pdf): "There is no need to first load the Cessna 172, or use any sort of custom saved flight when loading the PMDG 777-200LR/F. Our programming sets up the sim environment properly as the aircraft is loading."

 

So, while I can't locate instructions for resuming from a saved flight, I deduced that the same is possible when loading from saved flight.  

 

I am familiar with the "dance" as you describe it here (thank you for it, don't want to sound ungrateful) and I'll return to that procedure.

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The procedure is pretty straight forward but requires the prerequisite below:

_ In FSX startup window as said above, you must have the default Trike and Friday Harbour when starting FSX. Then before launching your flight at the beginning, you can select from the startup window your aircraft / airport / date-time

It doesn't have to be the Trike and it certainly doesn't have to be at Friday Harbor.

 

That is the original FSX default flight and it will work but you can use a default flight at any airport (which should be in your own time zone) and any FSX default piston engined aircraft. The jets might work too but I've never tested that.

 

FSX time starts out of sync with yours if you don't use an airport in your time zone for the default flight.

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I usually load the PMDG 777 directly when I first start as we are told this is possible in Tutorial #1 (PMDG-777-Tutorial-1.pdf): "There is no need to first load the Cessna 172, or use any sort of custom saved flight when loading the PMDG 777-200LR/F. Our programming sets up the sim environment properly as the aircraft is loading."

 

This is entirely okay, the caveat is that the default aircraft that appears in the rotating preview window when you first start Free Flight, before selecting an aircraft or loading a flight, shouldn't be a PMDG aircraft. I'll point out that that's my opinion based on my experience.

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This is entirely okay, the caveat is that the default aircraft that appears in the rotating preview window when you first start Free Flight, before selecting an aircraft or loading a flight, shouldn't be a PMDG aircraft. I'll point out that that's my opinion based on my experience.

 

Yeah, I think there is some confusion in terms here by most people.

 

I think of the sim as having two loads:

  1. When you first start the sim with the screens that look similar to this:

    fig1.jpg

     

     

     

  2. When you load into the area in which you're flying, which looks like this:

    2014-5-30_17-24-23-112.jpg

I think people get confused as to which "load" people are referring to.  The way I've interpreted things over the years is as follows:

The first load must be loading a default MS aircraft.  When the sim first boots up, the aircraft rotating in the window should be a default, simple model.  From there, you can choose any model and go into the "flying area" (second load) without issue.

 

I think a lot of people interpret some of the posts out there to say that you have to load the sim (first load) with the default aircraft, then load the flight with a default aircraft (second load), and finally, switch the aircraft.  This is what that language in the tutorial is meant to address: you do not need to hit Fly Now with a default aircraft still selected.  It's only when the sim first loads that the aircraft needs to be a default aircraft.

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FSX time starts out of sync with yours if you don't use an airport in your time zone for the default flight.

Ha, still learning, thanks Kevin, I always wondered about that time being out of wack. Got my default trike now placed at ENGM :)

 

Cheers,

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Yeah, I think there is some confusion in terms here by most people.

 

I think of the sim as having two loads:

  1. When you first start the sim with the screens that look similar to this:

    fig1.jpg

     

     

     

  2. When you load into the area in which you're flying, which looks like this:

    2014-5-30_17-24-23-112.jpg

I think people get confused as to which "load" people are referring to.  The way I've interpreted things over the years is as follows:

The first load must be loading a default MS aircraft.  When the sim first boots up, the aircraft rotating in the window should be a default, simple model.  From there, you can choose any model and go into the "flying area" (second load) without issue.

 

I think a lot of people interpret some of the posts out there to say that you have to load the sim (first load) with the default aircraft, then load the flight with a default aircraft (second load), and finally, switch the aircraft.  This is what that language in the tutorial is meant to address: you do not need to hit Fly Now with a default aircraft still selected.  It's only when the sim first loads that the aircraft needs to be a default aircraft.

 

That is a reasonable interpretation of what is in that document, and how I operate (all most all of my flying is in the Lufthansa B777F).  However, in my endless struggle to find the balance with VAS, there are times where you need to save flight and proceed from that.

 

The question is this.  I do have a default flight (the trike spinning) when I reload, but I then load saved flight and that is when the model is screwy.  Perhaps the procedure is to select the aircraft first, and then load flight.

 

I was looking for validation of that procedure or of any procedure that is appropriate.

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Nope, no need to. Start FSX with one of the default aircraft spinning in the "Free flight" menu, then load your saved flight.

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The question is this. I do have a default flight (the trike spinning) when I reload, but I then load saved flight and that is when the model is screwy.

 

When you save the flight, is a panel state with the same name being saved (3 files in FSX>PMDG>PMDG 777>panelstates)?  I believe some people have problems with Windows permissions that interfere with the save.

 

Mike

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Ha, still learning, thanks Kevin, I always wondered about that time being out of wack. Got my default trike now placed at ENGM :)

Any time, Mo. Cheers. :drinks:

 

 

 

Perhaps the procedure is to select the aircraft first, and then load flight.

No, definitely not that. That would load the aircraft on top of itself, which PMDG specifically advise against.

 

Your problem may be because you are saving the flight with VAS already near the limit. The data saved may already be corrupted. The answer is either to use FSUIPC autosave, or if you don't have the licenced FSUIPC you can download a free utility called FSXsave which does the same job. Autosave saves the flight, and all necessary files for it, at frequent intervals. If you get VAS warnings you simply close FSX, restart it normally then load the most recent autosaved flight before the warnings began.

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FSX save....well how about that....interesting.

 

I do not use FSUIPC autosave anymore because it fills up the PMDG CDU with tons of saved flights.

(yes you can delete them but I find it a hassle)

 

Does autosave work better in this respect?


FSX time starts out of sync with yours if you don't use an airport in your time zone for the default flight.

I think you can also just edit the local time.

Set it to your local time and then it does not matter what time the default flght is at.

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Unfortunately,

 

I remain periodically stuck with the VAS monster on this aircraft (shudder to think what is going to happen with future aircraft).  So, when the FSUIPC "ding ding ding" starts, I know I can at least save the flight and somewhat recover.

 

Here is the problem: the interior recovers/reloads just fine, but the exterior does not.  The center of the fans has no texture on the external model and the test flight extras (little lines that come off the tail) are showing. This is with the Lufthansa 777F, which is about all I fly (99% of the time).

 

I realize that even going outside is a VAS factor, but I want to look at the outside sometimes.  In any case, why do I have these model anomalies when I reload a saved flight?

 

I am I reloading wrong?  Should I pick the plane and THEN pick the flight?

 

Thanks for any illumination.

I have had that problem as well.

 

The thing is that it started with that and then I started getting CDTs on FSX exit as well :-(

 

I tried everything to fix things, but I ended up reinstalling Windows from a pre-PMDG777 backup image that had FSX already in it.

Thereafter things were ok.

 

So it is impossible to tell what was wrong....but something got corrupted somewhere.

 

Before you go through a total FSX install, or reinstall from image, I would recommend:

1) update the Operations Center.

As weird and unrelated this may sound.....it does not cost you anything other than a few minutes and it has seemed to help me stabilize things and even improve performance. (I know it technically should not help anything.....but it is worth a shot right!)

 

2)rather than uninstalling FSX, you can try and uninstall the PMDG777 and re-install it. (that should fix any corrupted textures).

Please reinstall with the PC not overclocked!

If that does not work, then you can try the same again but re-instal AS ADMINISTRATOR!

 

PS...reinstalling things should be a last effort in my opinion, so make sure you trouble shoot things first (FSX.cfg good?, DX10?, GPU driver good?, not running overclocked? etc)

 

PPS if you reinstall from a pre-PMDG777 image then you need to release the PMDG key first (CDU). Otherwise you can not activate the PMDG in you new/re-imaged Windows system!

A new licence key is not required for reinstalling the PMDG777 into the same OS.

Even unistalling FSX and reinstalling FSX again should not delete the key from the windows registry I think.

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I do not use FSUIPC autosave anymore because it fills up the PMDG CDU with tons of saved flights.

(yes you can delete them but I find it a hassle)

 

You can limit the number of Autosave files, and the time interval between saves, from the in-game FSUIPC menu section "AutoSaveGPSOut".

 

You can set FSUIPC to delete the panelstate files that show up in the panel state window of the CDU (and are saved with every autosave flight) by doing the following:

 

From FSUIPC Advanced Users guide p. 14:

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AlsoManage, for additional files
Some add-on programs produce files when Flights are saved separately from the usual ones in the FSX flights folder, so that the AutoSave option fails to manage their numbers, deleting older ones when the FLT files are deleted. The types handled by default are FLT, WX, FSSAVE, PSS, FMC, ABL, RCD, SPB and IPCBIN. For any others, and files in other folders, you have to manually add some lines to the [AutoSave] section of the FSUIPC4.INI file. As an example, for the PMDG 747X these would be: `

AlsoManage1=PMDG\747400\PanelState\*.FLT.sav
AlsoManage2=PMDG\747400\PanelState\*.0.rte
AlsoManage3=PMDG\747400\PanelState\*.1.rte

 

The path given in these lines is within the main FSX path. If you have anything installed outside the FSX path you'd need to give the complete pathname, from the drive (e.g. C:\ ...) onwards (or the computer name for a Network in the usual form, i.e. \\<name> ...).

Up to 32 “AlsoManage” lines can be given, numbered 1 to 32.

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These entries go in the [Autosave] section of the FSUIPC.ini file.  The file is in FSX>Modules 

 

Here are my entries for the 777 and NGX (note there is also an entry for *.fmc files, which I believe should be included):

AlsoManage1=PMDG\PMDG 777X\PanelState\*.FLT.0.rte
AlsoManage2=PMDG\PMDG 777X\PanelState\*.FLT.1.rte
AlsoManage3=PMDG\PMDG 777X\PanelState\*.FLT.2.rte
AlsoManage4=PMDG\PMDG 777X\PanelState\*.FLT.3.rte
AlsoManage5=PMDG\PMDG 777X\PanelState\*.FLT.4.rte
AlsoManage6=PMDG\PMDG 777X\PanelState\*.FLT.fmc
AlsoManage7=PMDG\PMDG 777X\PanelState\*.FLT.sav
AlsoManage8=PMDG\PMDG 737 NGX\PanelState\*.FLT.0.rte
AlsoManage9=PMDG\PMDG 737 NGX\PanelState\*.FLT.1.rte
AlsoManage10=PMDG\PMDG 737 NGX\PanelState\*.FLT.2.rte
AlsoManage11=PMDG\PMDG 737 NGX\PanelState\*.FLT.3.rte
AlsoManage12=PMDG\PMDG 737 NGX\PanelState\*.FLT.4.rte
AlsoManage13=PMDG\PMDG 737 NGX\PanelState\*.FLT.fmc
AlsoManage14=PMDG\PMDG 737 NGX\PanelState\*.FLT.sav

 

Mike

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FSX save....well how about that....interesting.

 

I do not use FSUIPC autosave anymore because it fills up the PMDG CDU with tons of saved flights.

(yes you can delete them but I find it a hassle)

 

Does autosave work better in this respect?

 

I think you can also just edit the local time.

Set it to your local time and then it does not matter what time the default flght is at.

Yes you can overwrite local time of course but I like to start FSX with the correct UTC and local time already, not have to adjust every time. So much easier to change the default flight to your local time zone. You only have to do it once.

 

FSXSave does leave a ton of files around too. Deleting them manually is a pain. I wrote a batch file to delete them to make life easier.

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A big thing for me guys is disabling the pre load of fsx. As soon you start the sim, it's loading in the background. Disable that and reduce it loading random stuff.

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A big thing for me guys is disabling the pre load of fsx. As soon you start the sim, it's loading in the background. Disable that and reduce it loading random stuff.

You mean Disablepreload=1?

 

I have asked about that about a year ago and was adviced not to use that.

So I dont.....maybe it will cause a problem somewhere down the line.....besides, does it realy help performance?

 

You can set FSUIPC to delete the panelstate files that show up in the panel state window of the CDU (and are saved with every autosave flight) by doing the following:

 

From FSUIPC Advanced Users guide p. 14:

---------------

AlsoManage, for additional files

Some add-on programs produce files when Flights are saved separately from the usual ones in the FSX flights folder, so that the AutoSave option fails to manage their numbers, deleting older ones when the FLT files are deleted. The types handled by default are FLT, WX, FSSAVE, PSS, FMC, ABL, RCD, SPB and IPCBIN. For any others, and files in other folders, you have to manually add some lines to the [AutoSave] section of the FSUIPC4.INI file. As an example, for the PMDG 747X these would be: `

 

AlsoManage1=PMDG\747400\PanelState\*.FLT.sav

AlsoManage2=PMDG\747400\PanelState\*.0.rte

AlsoManage3=PMDG\747400\PanelState\*.1.rte

 

The path given in these lines is within the main FSX path. If you have anything installed outside the FSX path you'd need to give the complete pathname, from the drive (e.g. C:\ ...) onwards (or the computer name for a Network in the usual form, i.e. \\<name> ...).

 

Up to 32 “AlsoManage” lines can be given, numbered 1 to 32.

-----------------------

 

These entries go in the [Autosave] section of the FSUIPC.ini file.  The file is in FSX>Modules 

 

Here are my entries for the 777 and NGX (note there is also an entry for *.fmc files, which I believe should be included):

 

AlsoManage1=PMDG\PMDG 777X\PanelState\*.FLT.0.rte

AlsoManage2=PMDG\PMDG 777X\PanelState\*.FLT.1.rte

AlsoManage3=PMDG\PMDG 777X\PanelState\*.FLT.2.rte

AlsoManage4=PMDG\PMDG 777X\PanelState\*.FLT.3.rte

AlsoManage5=PMDG\PMDG 777X\PanelState\*.FLT.4.rte

AlsoManage6=PMDG\PMDG 777X\PanelState\*.FLT.fmc

AlsoManage7=PMDG\PMDG 777X\PanelState\*.FLT.sav

AlsoManage8=PMDG\PMDG 737 NGX\PanelState\*.FLT.0.rte

AlsoManage9=PMDG\PMDG 737 NGX\PanelState\*.FLT.1.rte

AlsoManage10=PMDG\PMDG 737 NGX\PanelState\*.FLT.2.rte

AlsoManage11=PMDG\PMDG 737 NGX\PanelState\*.FLT.3.rte

AlsoManage12=PMDG\PMDG 737 NGX\PanelState\*.FLT.4.rte

AlsoManage13=PMDG\PMDG 737 NGX\PanelState\*.FLT.fmc

AlsoManage14=PMDG\PMDG 737 NGX\PanelState\*.FLT.sav

 

Mike

wow good info!

 

I have said so many times that Autosave is a horror because of all those saved flights.......never has someone told me they can be auto deleted.

 

I do not think many people now about this.

 

Thx a lot Mike, I will give that a try.

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You mean Disablepreload=1?

 

I have asked about that about a year ago and was adviced not to use that.

So I dont.....maybe it will cause a problem somewhere down the line.....besides, does it realy help performance?

 

[...]

 

I think it helps hugely, and plus it loads FSX quicker

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I have said so many times that Autosave is a horror because of all those saved flights.......never has someone told me they can be auto deleted.

 

This feature is only described in detail in the Advanced User guide.

 

In the example I gave above it's important to include the ...FLT.fmc option, even though it is missing from the FSUIPC instructions.  I don't own the PMDG 747 for FSX so I don't know if this is an omission in the instructions or the 747 didn't have that file.

 

Also, I included many ...Flt.[NUMBER].rte files for both aircraft.  But I think you won't see more than two, labelled 0 & 1.  I put in the extras just to be on the safe side - if the file doesn't exist nothing will happen.   But if you are close to using up the 32 file limit, you probably don't need more than 0 & 1.

 

Although this has nothing to do with Autosave, for users of FS-Recorder, here is how to get it to load the panel state along with the flight that FS-Recorder saves at the beginning of the recording (when set to do so):

 

http://www.fs-recorder.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=887

 

Mike

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I think it helps hugely, and plus it loads FSX quicker

 

No it doesn't, I tried using that DisablePreload=1 line in my fsx.cfg and it causes the sim to load a lot slower than it does without it.

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I assure you mate, it does. ;)

 

(It stops FSX loading the default flight)

 

ALex 

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