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You seem to be touting this program a bit. have an interest in it?

 

I have NOT used this program, nor will I ever BUT the general consensus from the people that I know and have read is that this type of "memory management" could cause more problems than it cures.

 

If it were that simple to eliminate OOM's I am sure we would have heard about this a long time ago. There are many reasons for OOM's and they seem to be system specific. I never had one with FSX and the only time I ever had one with P3D was when they had the vegetation autogen issue.

 

Vic

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You seem to be touting this program a bit. have an interest in it?

No need for such a smart arse reply Vic. Good heavens, I only mentioned it twice. You do not own the right on this forum to decide what one posts on here.

 

I do not own SM, in fact I have never heard of it. An interest in it ??  yeah, I am the CEO

 

I don't need a lecture on OOM's either. I don't have that issue. I posted that avsim link for those that do.

 

I will not be posting on Avsim anymore, this really is the straw that broke the camels back. It use to be a friendly place.

I initially joined Avsim  in 2001 Vic, so i think if i was to secretly tout a product now, don't you think that would be odd ?

 

If this is the sort of reply's one can now expect on here, well maybe it is time to not post on Avsim any longer.

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I will not be posting on Avsim anymore, this really is the straw that broke the camels back

 

Hope ya stick around buddy!  I always enjoy following your postings Julian

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Hope ya stick around buddy!  I always enjoy following your postings Julian

When I cool down, I probably will Chris. Touting a product  (directly ie as a shareholder ) is not something I subscribe too, and those that know me on here like yourself, would know I would not do that. If I ever did, I am sure Tom Allensworth would bannish me to some tropical island.

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If I ever did, I am sure Tom Allensworth would bannish me to some tropical island.

 

Me too please

 

Hawaii would do nicely

 

or Fuji even

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No need for such a smart arse reply Vic. Good heavens, I only mentioned it twice. You do not own the right on this forum to decide what one posts on here.

Nice one, Julian. Very apt riposte, but don't go, buddy. Your inputs will be missed and you for one have ALWAYS been knowledgeable and above all, civil.

 

But I too have read a few unpleasant things about System Mechanic creating havoc. I used to have it in its early forms till I read in a tech publication what its pitfalls were, and immediately got rid of it.

 

I thought South Island was tropical? At least it has a nice sounding name ala South Seas!

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Hi Rick,Had a quick look at some reviews on SM, and your quite correct, it seems to hog the system a bit like Nortons. Some features were quite good, but the background optimizations were scary to say the least.

 

Maybe that is why I never heard of it, because people are to scared to use it :)

 

South Island tropical ? yeah right :)  I was having a terrible mental picture of me in my speedo's sunbathing on top of the Southern Alps. LOL


Me too please

 

Hawaii would do nicely

 

or Fiji even

Raratonga is nicer

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Just to cheer you up, tonight, and I mean early hours as of now, an apt song you may recognise, was played on RTE(Irish Radio+TV) called Day After Day. No need for me to elaborate.

 

Speedos in the Southern Alps at this time of the year? You'd be certified for sure!

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ust to cheer you up, tonight, and I mean early hours as of now, an apt song you may recognise, was played on RTE(Irish Radio+TV) called Day After Day.

Ahhh, yes, my favourite. Cheers Buddy.

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When I cool down, I probably will Chris. Touting a product  (directly ie as a shareholder ) is not something I subscribe too, and those that know me on here like yourself, would know I would not do that. If I ever did, I am sure Tom Allensworth would bannish me to some tropical island.

Tell you what Julian - I'll forgive your over sensitivity of you forgive my lack of it!  :)  

 

Stick around, Avsim is still a good place.

 

Vic

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Did anyone read my earlier post of today??  System mechanic definitely works. (I think the title was SYSTEM Mechanic FSX or something like that. Just beware that it trashes Window's voice recognition software, which means bye bye VOIXATC, Fly2Crew etc.

 

Lon Duncombe

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Tell you what Julian - I'll forgive your over sensitivity of you forgive my lack of it!  :)  

 

Stick around, Avsim is still a good place.

 

Vic

Ok, cheers Vic

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Just beware that it trashes Window's voice recognition software, which means bye bye VOIXATC, Fly2Crew etc.

 

Correct.  And they choose not to acknowledge it. :mad:

 

It killed my enjoyment of Multi Crew Experience, a very expensive lesson.  It's now off my system for good.  

 

You have been warned.  

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You have been warned.

 

Yep, the importance of these community warnings can't be overemphasised. I've learnt that the hard way.

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There are two separate but related events that occur whenever any resource is loaded into physical memory:

  1. the data itself occupies nn MBs of physical RAM
  2. the address in memory where the data is loaded (Virtual Address Space: aka VAS)

The problem is that even if the memory (RAM) taken is "garbage collected", the address allocation remains in the VAS...

 

...as neither FSX nor P3D is telling the VAS table to release its allocation! As far as it's concerned, the starting address and the length is still occupied.

 

For FSX it's too late for any improvements to be made. The same cannot be said for P3D however, and L-M's team are trying to work out a way to clean the dead pointers from the VAS table.

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Very informative, Fr Bill. Thanks for that. Learn more, again. As you state, hopefully, L-M will learn from MSFS's half-baked final delivery.

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I'll be posting screenshots as soon as I can squeeze in a flight between work.  I have no idea how they do it, but words may be eaten B)  

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The same cannot be said for P3D however, and L-M's team are trying to work out a way to clean the dead pointers from the VAS table.

 

It's a big challenge with more recent programming languages/tools ... threading really complicated matters on what can be destroyed ... back in the old days we had much more control for better or worse  and of course no threading ... lock those resources ... me, me, me, me :)

 

Unfortunately some of that baking is OS level and/or run time level and getting Microsoft to change this will be a dead end road.  Finding creative ways to work around the issue could violate all kinds of other "safe programming practices" and may even trigger DEP and/or other security exceptions. 

 

I see the lure of trying to find a solution ... a relatively short time investment "may" come up golden, or it may just open pandora's box of other issues to address -- that often happens in software development, you go down a path that initially shows promise on the surface but then increasing technical challenges as one gets deeper into implementation.

 

The alternative is obviously a 64bit solution ... that "particular OOM problem solved" ... but that opens up all kinds of other issues.

 

But here and now with the current situation with P3D, load up a complex airport, load up a complex scenery, load up a complex aircraft, toss in some weather, turn up the graphics settings and viola ... OOM within a minute ... without moving a single foot in the virtual world.  Nothing to be released on the memory side, just simply not enough of it.  So even if LM do work on improving resource release, it would not solve the inevitable scenario I describe above.

 

I have found a tool/app that has been very useful in terms of automating (making it easy) to optimize one's PC ... I usually don't recommend registry cleaners and/or optimization tools but I've had very good success with a product called AVG PC Tune up.  I like it because it lets me get as "involved" as I want to get or it will simply run in "economy", "standard", or "turbo" mode and I'll be completely un-involved.  "AVG PC Tune Up" will NOT help out with OOMs but it can quickly and easily identify services running and turn them on/off on the fly, identify registry issues and fix if so desired, and many more tasks.

 

I can't recommend System Mechanic ... I have used it many years ago on other PC in a land far away ... it performed some dubious activity and even removed a key exe that I needed for Visual Studio development work.  When I inquired about their Questionable activity to their support folks I got no response ... they were clearly identifying issues that weren't issues in order to make one think their product was doing something.  Anyway, that's my experience with System Mechanic.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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Curiously, could a sim be built as if it were its own OS?

 

OS =  SIM  ?

 

bootable games were known in the past, used DOS I suppose

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I usually don't recommend registry cleaners and/or optimization tools but I've had very good success with a product called AVG PC Tune up.

 

And let the "OMG", "I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT", "BEST TWEAK EVA!" etc etc threads begin in 3...2...1... LOL

 

BTW, on my way to check this AVG PC Tune Up out... hahahaha  :lol:

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Me too please

 

Hawaii would do nicely

 

or Fuji even

If Tom will throw in a Grumman Goose and a few hula girls I'm down for banishment as well! lol 

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And let the "OMG", "I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT", "BEST TWEAK EVA!" etc etc threads begin in 3...2...1... LOL

 

Please no! ... oh wait a second ... let me check their stock price ... ok go for it!

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Please no! ... oh wait a second ... let me check their stock price ... ok go for it!

 

LOL As soon as I finished this flight I'm in the middle of, I will install the trial version... I love tweaking... And I did say tweaking, not twerking hahahaha

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