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777-300ER Air Force One

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Had some free time yesterday and took a shot at painting the -300ER in the livery of Air Force One:

 

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Still working on it - will see if I can boost the shine of the bare metal belly a bit and darken the color on the outer edge of the Presidential Seal. If there is anything else I've missed let me know! 

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Nice paint but would never happen... POTUSA needs 4 engines.

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Nice paint but would never happen... POTUSA needs 4 engines.

 

Well, sure.

 

But on the other hand when you consider the fact that I'm pretending to fly a 750,000lb airplane around in my bathrobe, my imaginary POTUS 'settling' for a 777-300ER is probably not too big of a leap.

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Well after I posted I realized he flies around in that helicopter all the time....only one engine.

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Well, sure.

 

But on the other hand when you consider the fact that I'm pretending to fly a 750,000lb airplane around in my bathrobe, my imaginary POTUS 'settling' for a 777-300ER is probably not too big of a leap.

 

Best response ever! :Applause:

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Well after I posted I realized he flies around in that helicopter all the time....only one engine.

 

I'm glad I did all of my flying around in helicopters BEFORE I came to understand the dark magic required to keep them in the air! :o

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Correct me if I am wrong but when the president flies on any particular aircraft, isn't that at the time known as air force one?

 

Pretty sure I heard that in an air force one documentary.

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Correct me if I am wrong but when the president flies on any particular aircraft, isn't that at the time known as air force one?

 

Pretty sure I heard that in an air force one documentary.

 

Yes...or Army One, or Navy One, Marine One, Coast Guard One depending on which military service's aircraft is being used at the time.

 

This specific livery is particular to the aircraft assigned to the President 'full time' (currently VC-25A/747-200s)...differs somewhat from the other light blue, white, and gold official livery that is on the C-40/737 or C-32/757 flown by the Air Force for VIP travel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-32#mediaviewer/File:USAF_C-32A.jpg

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Well after I posted I realized he flies around in that helicopter all the time....only one engine.

 

Marine One (current VHX-60 White Hawk... so funny that they renamed the Black Hawk on several levels) has two engines.

 

Yeah, seems to me that the mission would be best served with a B77X airframe for many reasons including costs, but the bureaucrats are never going to put their necks out supporting fewer engines. Maybe it's the size of the alternators on each engine, the electrical loads are unimaginable, that drive them to four engines.

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 Maybe it's the size of the alternators on each engine, the electrical loads are unimaginable, that drive them to four engines.

I'm pretty sure that it's because of the 747's fame and 'presence'. With most people who aren't airplane enthusiasts, if they know one plane it's the 747. It gained a reputation for about 50 years as being the biggest commercial plane, and some people even mistake it for the biggest aircraft. Nowadays, more people are starting to recognize the A380, but it'll be a chilly day in hell before the POTUS flies around in an Airbus. Even though the 777 is more efficient, the 747 is much more recognizable and prestigious. And as long as Mr. Putin's airplane has 4 engines, you can bet that POTUS' will as well. 

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Maybe it's the size of the alternators on each engine, the electrical loads are unimaginable, that drive them to four engines.

 

This is what I have heard as well.

I suspect the requirement to fight and win a nuclear war, on the toilet, while simultaneously conducting a video teleconference with both the International Space Station and a submarine at the bottom of the Marianas Trench might have a little bit to do with that.

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I suspect the requirement to fight and win a nuclear war, on the toilet, while simultaneously conducting a video teleconference with both the International Space Station and a submarine at the bottom of the Marianas Trench might have a little bit to do with that.

 

You forgot the "while watching 'merican football on a 50 inch LCD..."

 

Perhaps while eating apple pie and drinking a Bud...jury's out on that one because it would mean eating whilst on the toilet...

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You forgot the "while watching 'merican football on a 50 inch LCD..."

 

Perhaps while eating apple pie and drinking a Bud...jury's out on that one because it would mean eating whilst on the toilet...

Without a portion of Buffalo wings??...no way!

Had some free time yesterday and took a shot at painting the -300ER in the livery of Air Force One:

 

Still working on it - will see if I can boost the shine of the bare metal belly a bit and darken the color on the outer edge of the Presidential Seal. If there is anything else I've missed let me know!

 

I love it Matt, very cool :-)

 

So far I have never used anything besides the default PMDG liveries.

To prevent FSX problems!

(I believe some liveries can cause problems similar to a corrupted panel state?).

 

But if you can assure me this Airforce One livery will not cause any problems than I might just make an exception ;-)

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Marine One (current VHX-60 White Hawk... so funny that they renamed the Black Hawk on several levels) has two engines.

 

Is it not the case that one engine operates each rotor and that if one of them failed the 'copter would start spinning in the opposite direction of the remaining rotor?  Single engine failure on a 777 would not, of course, be catastrophic.

 

 

 


The USAF almost ended up with A330 tankers a little while back: http://en.wikipedia....p_Grumman_KC-45

 

One of Obama's chiefs of staff is a former Boeing executive, so never was too likely once the bidding was reopened.  Airbus is soon to build A320s in Mobile, Alabama, where the tanker was supposed to be built.

 

Mike

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Marine One (current VHX-60 White Hawk... so funny that they renamed the Black Hawk on several levels) has two engines.

 

 

 

Thanks for the clarification !

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Is it not the case that one engine operates each rotor and that if one of them failed the 'copter would start spinning in the opposite direction of the remaining rotor?  Single engine failure on a 777 would not, of course, be catastrophic.

 

No, it's not.

The White Hawk should be the same in term of gearboxes as a "normal" Black Hawk. In this case, the two engines are connected to a gearbox, which in turn connects to an assembly that drives both the main rotor and the tail rotor.

There's also a clutch between the engines and the gearbox. In case one engine fails, it simply doesn't provide any power anymore, but the other engine does not have to "drive" that engine, so all the remaining power goes to the rotors, not wasting it on driving a dead engine.

In any case, when one engine fails in a helicopter, you'll want to be going down FAST. Especially when you have POTUS in the back of your aircraft.

Helicopters are kept aloft through a very delicate set of forces cancelling each other out. When an engine fails, the safest place to look for is a decent landing spot.

 

Disclaimer: the "Should be" part of the first sentence refers to the rather limited public knowledge about the actual vehicles POTUS uses. Though they are derivatives of the more common models, many things will have been customised. A lot of the mechanics will have remained the same, though.

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The White Hawk should be the same in term of gearboxes as a "normal" Black Hawk. In this case, the two engines are connected to a gearbox, which in turn connects to an assembly that drives both the main rotor and the tail rotor.

 

Thomas, thanks for the clarification.  Good to know that each engine is capable of powering both rotors independently, at least for some period of time.  Also want to note that I looked at the configuration of the Black Hawk and now see that it has a main and tail rotor, not two main rotors as I wrongly assumed.

 

Mike

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You were thinking of the Chinook helicopter, which does have two main rotors and two main engines.

However, the same principle applies to that helicopter too. Two main engines, connected through a set of gearboxes to two rotors. When one engine fails, the other drives the rotors by itself. Whether or not you'll be able to fly, or just do a controlled landing, depends on the load you're carrying. In general, though, the principle is the same. It's not like one engine drives one single rotor.

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Well, sure.

 

But on the other hand when you consider the fact that I'm pretending to fly a 750,000lb airplane around in my bathrobe, my imaginary POTUS 'settling' for a 777-300ER is probably not too big of a leap.

 

Are you wearing your pink fluffy bunny slippers, too?

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You forgot the "while watching 'merican football on a 50 inch LCD..."

 

Perhaps while eating apple pie and drinking a Bud...jury's out on that one because it would mean eating whilst on the toilet...

 

"Digestive Multitasking"!

 

Without a portion of Buffalo wings??...no way!

I love it Matt, very cool :-)

 

So far I have never used anything besides the default PMDG liveries.

To prevent FSX problems!

(I believe some liveries can cause problems similar to a corrupted panel state?).

 

But if you can assure me this Airforce One livery will not cause any problems than I might just make an exception ;-)

Rob - while we can never be sure (this is FSX we're talking about!), I am not planning to do anything unusual with the files, so the sim should treat it just like a regular PMDG repaint. Just to be safe I will use the "configuration options" file from a default paint downloaded from PMDG, and package it up using the operations center so it will be easy to remove cleanly if you don't like the result.

 

 

Are you wearing your pink fluffy bunny slippers, too?

 

If it gets cold enough :)

 

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I made some tweaks to the coloring and shined up the belly.

 

Uploading to AVSIM library now...enjoy!

 

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