https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cVaLLe_yJQ

 

I believe this story here is very true. Anyone here disagree?

 

 

 

 

This video contains content from frontline, who has blocked it on copyright grounds.

 

 

who has blocked it on copyright grounds.

 

Yeah,,,too bad!

We shall never know if it's true - how sad!

This video contains content from frontline, who has blocked it on copyright grounds.

Yikes. Four hours prior to you posting that, I watched it and it worked fine. Must have been quick to block it.

That old frontline episide was well done and contained a lot of unexaggerated truth.

You can watch it here..

 

http://video.pbs.org/video/1412744270/

That old frontline episide was well done and contained a lot of unexaggerated truth.

 

You're kidding, right? That entire "documentary" attempts to extrapolate some pretty dramatic claims and explanations from an isolated incident. If you want to claim that the incident was derived from some commonly-known substandard practices and conditions, fine, but those are qualitative assessments juxtaposed against self-explanatory safety records which are--get this--virtually flawless.

If you want to claim that the incident was derived from some commonly-known substandard practices and conditions, fine, but those are qualitative assessments

 

How do you sustain a flight crew earnin less than $20K a year? And you expect them to commute from one end  of the US to another which does not count towards fatigue and then you have these regional companies totally guaranteed away from the major carriers off any liability.  

 

Those facts alone smells of trouble. Are any of these three items false? 

You're kidding, right? That entire "documentary" attempts to extrapolate some pretty dramatic claims and explanations from an isolated incident. If you want to claim that the incident was derived from some commonly-known substandard practices and conditions, fine, but those are qualitative assessments juxtaposed against self-explanatory safety records which are--get this--virtually flawless.

 

Greg Montey

 

You seem remarkably confident that there is likely no relationship between this accident and others in regional carrier operations and that we should have no concerns for safety in this sector as they are 'virtually flawless' when it comes to recording their safety practices, all this from 30 minutes of documentary footage. Amazed!

 

Dave Gi 

You're kidding, right? That entire "documentary" attempts to extrapolate some pretty dramatic claims and explanations from an isolated incident. If you want to claim that the incident was derived from some commonly-known substandard practices and conditions, fine, but those are qualitative assessments juxtaposed against self-explanatory safety records which are--get this--virtually flawless.

No, I am not kidding. They actually pulled back some punches. I would have been a lot less generous if I was the producer, but I am not, I wad just a pilot at Continental Express back then.

 

What we saw during that time period was an accelerating downward spiral in safety in the regional system. Prior to that, most of the regional operations was performed by subsidiaries wholly owned by the major, such as CoEx, whose procedures, training, standards, hiring and management was based on or run by Continental.

 

After 9-11, the Comair strike, and a management change at Continental, the strategy was to diversify the feed as much as possible, play the providers against each other to lower costs, and extract the lowest cost possible.

 

Thus CoEx was sold off and it's flying began to be given to lowest bidders like Colgan and Chautaqua. At Colgan, which had always been a shoestring operation flying Beeches and Saabs under the Colgan brothers, they faced rapid expansion with the new Q400s Continental was placing there. In the Continental Connection system, what developed was a situation where a low cost operator, who had always provided only the minimal required training to their pilots, begin operating a new and more sophisticated piece of equipment than they ever had, with increasing flying obligations. Colgan was so desperate for warm bodies at that point that they would place recruiters at outside the weather rooms at Newark to target the newer FOs at CoEx to jump ship to Colgan with promises of upgrade to captain within a matter of months. The result was a systemic decline in safety with minimally trained pilots, who were also new and inexperienced, in a new and little understood airplane, in spreading numbers in the Continental system. What could go wrong?

Well said, Kevin; thanks for the links, Manny.

Well, planes don't seem to fall out of the sky at an alarming rate, even though low fare airlines are becoming the standard.

Well, planes don't seem to fall out of the sky at an alarming rate, even though low fare airlines are becoming the standard.

Well, the show was about a Colgan Q400 that did indeed fall out of the sky at an alarmingly high rate. And it was an accident that those of us in the business were expecting. How many more would be required before you would consider it 'alarming'?

 

Anyways, the fares aren't really the issue. The issue is the squeezing of the regional subcontractors by the network carriers for low costs in the manner that walmart squeezes their suppliers for low costs.

Well, the show was about a Colgan Q400 that did indeed fall out of the sky at an alarmingly high rate.

 

Is that the same flight where the NTSB found that :

 

3.2   Probable Cause

 

The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the captain’s inappropriate response tothe activation of the stick shaker, which led to an aerodynamic stall from which the airplane did not recover. Contributing to the accident were (1) the flight crew’s failure to monitor airspeed in relation to the rising position of the low-speed cue, (2) the flight crew’s failure to adhere to sterile cockpit procedures, (3) the captain’s failure to effectively manage the flight, and (4) Colgan Air’s inadequate procedures for airspeed selection and management during approaches in icing conditions.

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2010/aar1001.pdf