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Lockheed-Martin's "Real Target Market"

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Over the past few months, it has become increasingly clear that many in the flight simulator community have begun to fondly imagine that "we" are the focus of Lockheed-Martin's amazing Prepar3D.

 

Such of course is very far from reality, but then us simulator "pilot's" aren't really all that concerned with "reality" anyway are we?

 

I was looking through the list of companies listed in L-M's Developer Network* who are using Prepar3D in their products, and found this one who is without question representative of L-M's "real target market"...

 

Distributive Military Simulators LLC

 

Just imagine, now anyone can buy a complete Military F-16 BLK 52+ Flight Simulator System...

 

...for the amazingly low, low price of only $995,000.00! :shok:

 

Or, you can 'rent' one for a reasonable cost from $500 up to $5,000 a day depending on location, additional services purchased and the total number of days the consumer wants the simulator at their location. :LMAO:

 

Here is another example:

Engineering Support Personnel

One of their products is the Reconfigurable Aviation Crew Trainer (ReACT)

 

 

* Prepar3D Developer Network: http://www.prepar3d.com/developers

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That's crazy,  interesting stuff.   We are only tiny little piece of a big jigsaw. 

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I looked at this same web site. It is amazing we have the guts of the Simulator. I have been kicking around the idea of building a full projector style sim in my shop. My wife says, "Great I will never get to see you then!" Kind of takes the glory out of it! Hunting for the right cockpit now. I want a 737. So can you imagine sitting in the shop watching netflix on this thing. Comfy captains seats and all. I then thought well, wire a bell into the kitchen so when I want a drink, NOT! Get it yourself swettie! Gotta laugh, there is humor in my wife after all. Played around with it on Auto Cad and finally gave up on the idea. Let me know when you rent one of those things. I want to play when you do. Cpt out.

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LM is a well known military company.  Skunkworks produced the SR-71, U2, F-117 and finally the F-22. Clearly we are not their target market.  We are lucky enough to be able to have access to it. Use it. Be happy. 

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Very interesting. I wonder though, what is the ratio of useful feedback they receive from those customers vs us simmers?

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I do think we as a community help LM in getting to where they need to go in regards to getting to a solid platform, and we benefit by having an affortable flightsim than only seems to get better. Win Win for both!

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So glad you have noticed.  LM couldn't care less about the FS users, except for the occasionally useful feedback they give.  Otherwise, should it suit management, they'll drop it like a hot rock.  It's amazing that this product has been allowed loose in the wild the way that it has.

 

DJ

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Thanks for that, Fr. Bill. Which also probably goes to give credence to what RSR has been expounding for a long time, but we 'chose' not to listen----that PMDG's market is not us, 'simmers'.

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I looked at this same web site. It is amazing we have the guts of the Simulator. I have been kicking around the idea of building a full projector style sim in my shop. My wife says, "Great I will never get to see you then!" Kind of takes the glory out of it! Hunting for the right cockpit now. I want a 737. So can you imagine sitting in the shop watching netflix on this thing. Comfy captains seats and all. I then thought well, wire a bell into the kitchen so when I want a drink, NOT! Get it yourself swettie! Gotta laugh, there is humor in my wife after all. Played around with it on Auto Cad and finally gave up on the idea. Let me know when you rent one of those things. I want to play when you do. Cpt out.

If your still living in the south, there is an aircraft recycling place in Mississippi and I know a guy who works there.

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Bang on! I wonder if that is part of the reason PMDG ported their aircraft to P3D. No way LM would have taken a sniff of this if it weren't for the commercial market.

 

This is a bit off topic, but we really have to stop asking why games and commercial simulation users get so much more attention than us. The price of admission to gaming is a console, a title or two; and a set of headphones. For that, you get to play games along with thousands of others and instant gratification. I don't want to think how much I've spent on this hobby; and I'm nowhere near the big spenders.

 

As you so aptly pointed out, LM can make the equivalent of 20000 retail sales of P3D academic in one shot.

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So glad you have noticed.  LM couldn't care less about the FS users, except for the occasionally useful feedback they give.  Otherwise, should it suit management, they'll drop it like a hot rock.  It's amazing that this product has been allowed loose in the wild the way that it has.

 

DJ

Well we serve a purpose we help pay for some of the costs of the programming and we find more of the errors.

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Wa!Wa!Wa! It is not as good as x-plane!! Also I hear some company want 90.00 for 777-777-777 add on. I will stay with FS9. They are not getting my money!!!!!! :LMAO:

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LM couldn't care less about the FS users
 Nonsense.  We are their toughest customers, and probably their most enthusiastic as well.   The clients of their clients are going to be people that are easily impressed with P3D.  We play hard to get, and I bet we are the most interesting to them.  We are also the gatekeepers to P3D being accepted by a wider audience.  With P3D they can capture the imaginations of many and introduce new generations - that don't know what Lockheed has done [for them] - to the world of aviation, and along the way some of the best icons in that world, Lockheed Martin's own products.  The tiny niches that P3D fills and could grow to enormity are a marketers dream.

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Otherwise, should it suit management, they'll drop it like a hot rock.

You mean like Microsoft Dropped us with FSX? Who would you trust.....? Oh I know, lets all give our money to Dovetail...Please spare us the drama.

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LM needs to get our young folks interested in aviation, as most of you know the interest in aviation has been dropping in the US over the years. LM in addition to many other things builds planes. They are looking at this from the standpoint of trying to get our young folks interested in aviation so in 10-20 years they will have pilots to fly their planes. Also they are looking for a platform to train the current generation of pilots. LM has to plan many years into the furture to stay competitive...

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And FSX, P3d and XP10 combined are but a mere flea on the tail of the big dog called the video game/3D video app market. Maybe if we all pull together, we can wag the dog's tail an inch or two.  I guess we'll just have to live with all that.

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And FSX, P3d and XP10 combined are but a mere flea on the tail of the big dog called the video game/3D video app market. Maybe if we all pull together, we can wag the dog's tail an inch or two.  I guess we'll just have to live with all that.

I just think that things are about to change.  If P3D and addons keep tuning the way they have been, when virtual reality hits hard, for sure within a couple of years, the immersion that P3D gives in having the entire world at it one's bidding will bring more users than flight simulation has ever seen.  There is a revolution about to happen, I'm sure of it.

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I'm going to. We all change the world.  Just some change is noticed more than others.  Most of it you have no idea who is really responsible for it.

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I think its a great thing.  We may not be the bread and butter in terms of profit, I would think.  But we provide diversity and a level of interest, which also serves, not just LM, but also 3rd party development.  LM can then benefit from having their product critiqued, tested, and yet improved via real diversified use and development across the plain.  It may ultimately be a balancing act, but so far I think we as a sector have benefited far better in this than when FSX was supposedly focused on entertainment!  I say, bring it on.  Improve the core....yet cater to the diverse needs of the simulation community.  Everyone can benefit.

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I must confess that I actually hadn't expected such a large and rapid response to my post. I was actually determined to get this post made. The first three attempts I managed to accidentally close the browser's tab three times and lost all of what I'd already typed... :blush:

 

I do agree though that 'we' are very, very important to the folks at Prepar3D because we do provide valuable feedback to them precisely because we are so familiar with the platform and know what to look for and know what to expect...

 

...and are very vocal about it! :Big Grin:

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