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Anything on the horizon better than RC4 for FSX?

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Radar Contact 4 has been my go-to application for ATC control, but it's showing it's age and hasn't been updated in quite some time. Is there anything on the horizon as a replacement which is as good if not better? (I'm not a fan of vatsim, so that's not an option for me at this time.)

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How is it 'showing its age'? The interface was never its strong point even back in 2006. But it does what it says on the can to borrow a phrase from a UK TV advert.

 

It's stable and will get you from A to B without any scares. By their definition ATC programs don't tend to have Easter Eggs in them that will suddenly give you a heading or altitude you weren't expecting. Pilots like stability and something that works consistently well tends to be appreciated.

 

There are other products available and there has been extensive discussion on the pros and cons of each one. Just search for ATC in this forum.

 

For info: RC has a feature that allows real-world ATC recordings to be provided for any airport. The ones I created for EGCC some years ago are now out of date after runway designators have changed. Once my new scanner aerial is up I hope to provide new recordings of Manchester.

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There are other products available and there has been extensive discussion on the pros and cons of each one.

 

Yup and all of them are total crap. RC is the way to go, for the time being.

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I'm not trying to pooh pooh on RC4, so please don't read any insult into my request. As I mentioned, RC4 has been my go-to app for quite some time now and for the most part, I've been happy with it. I was simply asking if there was anything else on the horizon that is in development as an alternative to RC4 which might be better.

 

Some examples of improvements would include taxi routing, ATC assigned SID/STARs (you can do this in RC4, but ATC does not actually assign anything.. you have to leave out the SID in your flight plan and choose 'alt restrictions' to get ATC to honor the SID YOU assign). Flexible responses for times when ATC barks at you but only because of the situation and not due to failing to follow instructions. (Some of this is getting close to the realm of Vatsim, I know.)

 

Again, not bashing RC4, just looking for something a little more feature rich.

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Don't worry el_kab0ng, I didn't consider your post as insulting towards RC4. :wink:

 

You wouldn't expect me as a former team member of RC to make recommendations on alternatives for you. But if you search for ProATC-X and VOX ATC you can see what others think of those compared to RC4.

 

Assigning SIDs and STARs was due to be implemented in v5 but the author lost interest as more important things were happening in his life. Likewise with taxi instructions. Maybe if someone offered to buy the source code off John Dekker they could rewrite it. :BigGrin:

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Don't worry el_kab0ng, I didn't consider your post as insulting towards RC4. :wink:

 

You wouldn't expect me as a former team member of RC to make recommendations on alternatives for you. But if you search for ProATC-X and VOX ATC you can see what others think of those compared to RC4.

 

Assigning SIDs and STARs was due to be implemented in v5 but the author lost interest as more important things were happening in his life. Likewise with taxi instructions. Maybe if someone offered to buy the source code off John Dekker they could rewrite it. :BigGrin:

 

Ah then came Rob - He could do it and that would be neat

 

Ray does ProATC-X  work with all aircraft's or just airbus and pmdg stuff ? thanks

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I moved from RC4 to vatsim a while back. Would never leave vatsim !

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does ProATC-X  work with all aircraft's or just airbus and pmdg stuff ? thanks

 

 

it works with any aircraft (tubeliner) even the default fsx 737 747.

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it works with any aircraft (tubeliner) even the default fsx 737 747.

 

Hi Clayton - thank you - work with flight1 king air - carenado stuff - dash ? thanks

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Hi Clayton - thank you - work with flight1 king air - carenado stuff - dash ? thanks

 

Yes as long as you file IFR you should be good to go ! 

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Maybe if someone offered to buy the source code off John Dekker they could rewrite it.

 

Do you really think John would be open to this? I would love to continue developing RC4!

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Yes as long as you file IFR you should be good to go ! 

 

Thanks again - another question what I am not understanding and apologize but if you have a flight plan in the fmc - why would I need atc as when he says to turn heading 235 for instance that would be different than the flight path its following in fmc or maybe I put in dep and arr airport and let atc get me there ? newbie here on this subject ot sure what i am purchasing if you could help out would be great - tried p3d atc and they had me come into runway add crazy angle not straight on like normal people lol

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the proatc is based on the flightplan generated by the software, you then plug in the same flightplan with into your fmc, you can also chose the sid/star in the proatc software and normally proatc will tell you to fly direct to Xyx waypoint after departure so you do just that (like the real world) and continue on the jet airway as assigned in the flight plan. 

 

You also have the ability to descend as per the fmc and not what atc tells you to do. if you chose this option atc will not tell you to commence descent you will have to do it on your own as per fmc (t/d)

 

p3d atc is probably similiar to fsx atc (rubbish)

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the proatc is based on the flightplan generated by the software, you then plug in the same flightplan with into your fmc

 

So you have to put this in manually into a carenado for instance that sounds scary to me - can I just give it dep and arr airport and it will get me there ? this is mainly a ga aircraft as on youtube all you see is tubliners - is there a demo for this ? thanks much

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So you have to put this in manually into a carenado for instance that sounds scary to me - can I just give it dep and arr airport and it will get me there ? this is mainly a ga aircraft as on youtube all you see is tubliners - is there a demo for this ? thanks much

 

no i am pretty sure you will need waypoints / flightplan prior to flying / loading proatcx, probably not suited to your aircraft checkout their website and see whethere there is a demo. 

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no i am pretty sure you will need waypoints / flightplan prior to flying / loading proatcx, probably not suited to your aircraft checkout their website and see whethere there is a demo. 

 

Thanks looking for something that doesnt involve being a rocket scientist before a flight to much time - looking for something simple as in sim atc but actually works :) proatc-x is probably to involved to have a demo for it so I doubt it I am not seeing it there - thank you - hunt goes on for something simple

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You might want to consider RC4 then. It's simple, reliable and loads in flight plans that you can create externally (Fs2Build, Flightaware, Simbrief, etc). The Carenado Hawker has an FMC that you program by hand, so whatever flight plan you come up with, you'd want to make sure you load in manually. If you're flying something without an FMC (like the C404 for example), you can just load the flight plan into FSX when you set up the flight and GPS will follow it accordingly. The only thing GPS won't do is SID/STARs (it follows the waypoints within the SID/STARs, but doesn't load them by the SID/STAR names like an FMC would.

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The Carenado Hawker has an FMC that you program by hand, so whatever flight plan you come up with, you'd want to make sure you load in manually.

 

If you're flying something without an FMC (like the C404 for example), you can just load the flight plan into FSX when you set up the flight and GPS will follow it accordingly. 

 

 

1. How do you load it manually meaning how will I RC4 retrieve my fmc info ?

 

2. Can I load a flight plan in the P3D planner and RC will work with that method ?

 

3. Do I have to use voice commands ?

 

Thanks much

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I use FSBuild2 for most of my flight planning, but only after copying what is present on Flightaware if I'm doing commercial ops. FSBuild2 exports out to a .pln format (which is what FSX uses, but I don't have p3d, so I'm not sure what format it uses). I then load the pln file into RC4 and by hand into an FMC if I'm flying PMDG/Aerosoft or via the flight planner in FSX if I'm using something that has the standard GPS.

 

If you don't want to use FSbuild2, you can sign up for a free account on Simbrief.com and it'll export your flight plans from there with better fuel planning options. I use SimBrief for fuel planning instead of flight planning since it uses an AIRAC from 2014 unless you buy an online serial to get the latest navdata. In most cases, it won't understand the current SID/STARs, but it does know most if not all way points, so it's 'close enough' for fuel planning.

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I'll put a video together tonight and link it to explain what I mean if that would help. I don't use P3D, but I'd like to think the .pln format is compatible. Can anyone here confirm?

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I'll put a video together tonight and link it to explain what I mean if that would help. I don't use P3D, but I'd like to think the .pln format is compatible. Can anyone here confirm?

 

Sure does - thanks

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