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Car auction park close to the runway. Very clever.

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Car auction park close to the runway. Very clever.

 

My thoughts exactly. 

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Provisionally, looks like a long-landing incident according to the witness. Could be a technical fault or any of a number of causes, unrelated to the names of the SOB, or the vicinity of the car park 

 

We really shouldn't speculate in these forums. 

 

Here is the actual location

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Doesn't seem like an inappropriate place to put a car park. Looks like every other airport. And one benefit to a car park at the end of the runway is that means there are no tall obstructions and likely fewer people at any one time. A safety benefit, not a causal risk.

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Doesn't seem like an inappropriate place to put a car park. Looks like every other airport. And one benefit to a car park at the end of the runway is that means there are no tall obstructions and likely fewer people at any one time. A safety benefit, not a causal risk.

 

This from the Civil Aviation Authority UK...

'What is a Public Safety Zone?''

 

Public Safety Zones are areas of land at the end of runways established at the busiest airports in the UK, within which certain planning restrictions apply.  These aim to control the number of people on the ground at risk in the unlikely event of an aircraft accident on take-off or landing'.

 

http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=375&pagetype=90&pageid=11175

 

Granted the airport in question isnt  'busy' compared to London Gatwick., but you'd think common sense would apply the same principles of safety and not have a used car auction -with people milling around looking at cars to buy - right at the end of a runway. Plus  there's a severe fire risk with all those cars packed closely together as we've seen in this particular crash, which almost certainly ruled out anyone surviving the initial crash.

 

We really shouldn't speculate in these forums.

 

Why ever not? This is a 'chat' forum after all;  and speculation is a natural part of aviation-related conversations of this nature.  Anyway so far I haven't seen any notices not to 'speculate'. :P

 

 

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And his brother and father were also killed in separate plane accidents...incredibly bad odds

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And his brother and father were also killed in separate plane accidents...incredibly bad odds

 

Or, perhaps the odds increased dramatically after 9/11.

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Or, perhaps the odds increased dramatically after 9/11.

 

I was thinking along those lines too.  Karmic connections perhaps. 

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"Aviation enthusiast Geoff Pierce took this photograph of the aircraft moments before it crashed"...

 

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It's always really sad to hear about plane crashes. RIP!

 

 

Car auction park close to the runway. Very clever.

 

Better than a gas station :rolleyes: I think there may be some airports that may not have plenty of opportunities to put such things into discussion due to infrastructural limitations. I am not a airport planner, so I might be wrong.

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'What is a Public Safety Zone?''

Public Safety Zones are areas of land at the end of runways established at the busiest airports in the UK, within which certain planning restrictions apply. These aim to control the number of PEOPLE on the ground at risk in the unlikely event of an aircraft accident on take-off or landing'.

 

My emphasis.

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'These aim to control the number of PEOPLE on the ground at risk in the unlikely event of an aircraft accident on take-off or landing'.

 

My emphasis.

 

The number of people 'on the ground' in this case obviously increased by having a car auction site  placed right at the end of the runway -with both staff and customers milling around in the line of fire.  'Common sense where art thou?'  ;-)

 

 

 

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'Common sense where art thou?' ;-)

 

the acccident happened and no people on the ground were injured. The extended flight path also intersects the A30 road. Should those and other roads be closed? What other road like A3044 at  Heathrow  and the adjacent Perimeter Road.

 

Commonsese doesn't depend on knee-jerk reactions.

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the acccident happened and no people on the ground were injured.

 

Luckily.. This time at least. 

 

The extended flight path also intersects the A30 road. Should those and other roads be closed?

What other road like A3044 at Heathrow and the adjacent Perimeter Road.

 

Like I said. The car auction park is right at the end of the runway, thus giving no margin of error for even a slight overshoot   The road you mentioned is situated further on  >> 

 

Also I wasn't talking about 'other airports', just that particular airport/crash..

 

Commonsese doesn't depend on knee-jerk reactions.

 

I thought you were talking Italian there. But perhaps you meant to write 'common sense.'   :P

 

 

Running out of runway

 

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Well at least it's not Gib. airport ..with a main road intersecting the runway, or vice versa...

 

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2843881/Photos-reveal-Gibraltar-runway-crosses-four-lane-main-road.html

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Well, if you have to be greedy and turn that land off the runway into something other than an empty field, a parking lot for cars with no owners probably puts the fewest people on the ground at risk.

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AAIB Bulletin S2/2015 SPECIAL reports that:

HZ-IBN entered the left-hand circuit for Runway 25 via the crosswind leg. Towards the end of the downwind leg, it overtook a microlight aircraft, before climbing slightly to pass ahead of and above that aircraft...

The operator estimated that the landing weight was 6,522 kg.  The aircraft manufacturer calculated that at this weight the target threshold speed was 108 KIAS...

 The aircraft’s TAWS generated six ‘pull up’ warnings on final approach.  The aircraft crossed the threshold of Runway 25 at approximately 50 ft aal at 150 KIAS.

Tyre marks made by the aircraft at touchdown indicated that it landed approximately 710 m beyond the Runway 25 threshold.  Runway 25 has a declared Landing Distance Available (LDA) of 1,059 m; therefore the aircraft touched down approximately 349 m before the end of the declared LDA, 438 m before the end of the paved runway surface.

Data from the aircraft’s CVFDR indicated that the groundspeed at touchdown was 135 kt and the airspeed was 134 KIAS.  The aircraft manufacturer estimated that at this speed the landing ground roll required to stop the aircraft would be at least 616 m

 

https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media/55c367e0ed915d5346000010/S2-2015_HZ-IBN.pdf

 

The aircraft had no chance stopping short of the end of the runway. That is a bad place!

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