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W10 'adverts' post 29 July

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I have decided to remain with W7 and have hidden the W10 'advert' that pops up in my Windows Updates every couple of months.

 

But once 29 July has passed will this 'update' still appear forcing me to keep hiding it? Or will Microsoft finally give up and accept we don't want it?

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GHD,

 

Did you read my question? I don't have the advert update installed so I'm not seeing these prompts. I am hiding it every couple of months but my question was will this continue after 29 July?

 

Pete, If the KB update is not installed what will that program actually do?

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PMJI.. the program will tell you if there are any W10 routines on your system... it is basically a "health check".

 

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Hi Bert,

 

I'm certain there aren't any 10 update programs on any of my systems because many months ago the Windows Updates responsible for loading them were identified by NickN and the KB numbers were listed over on SimForums.

 

Whilst I could load that program what I'm asking is will Microsoft continue to try and install that update after 29 July? No one has answered that question yet perhaps because they don't know.

 

Prevention is better than cure and I've kept those 10 things off my systems up to now. But if Microsoft are going to keep trying to install them then that program may be the only option. But it would be useful to know what their plans are.

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Ray,  Who knows, "better safe than sorry", I figure.

 

I run the program after every Windows update cycle..

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Ray  the  program  wont  allow  any  win 10 updates  to  be  iinstalled when  you  do the  windows  update, it  will also alert  you if  it  does  than  all you need   to do is  run the tool

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Just thinking, as Windows 10 will no longer be free after 29th July, I'm sure the free update requests will stop then.

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Bert / Pete, I guess that means that the 'advert' is installed and then the program removes it. Or maybe alerts you to its presence and 'unchecks' it from being installed. But that means it has to be running when you execute Windows Updates. Or is it a TSR?

 

Wobbie, that's the $64,000 question. Will Microsoft stop including it in the update cycle making this other program redundant?

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when  you install  it   its   in  your  task bar and  it  detects  when  ever  there  is  a win10 update  and  it  removes  it  and  alerts  you,  yes  after    29 july is  the  $64000   question

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Thanks Pete. So it is a T&SR program. I'll wait until mid-August when the next set of updates are due after 29/7. That will be the trigger as to whether I need this program or not.

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I have decided to remain with W7 and have hidden the W10 'advert' that pops up in my Windows Updates every couple of months.

 

But once 29 July has passed will this 'update' still appear forcing me to keep hiding it? Or will Microsoft finally give up and accept we don't want it?

Ray,

 

What will happen is that you will get continuous adverts from Microsoft, stating: 

 

"We regret to inform you that you have officially passed the July 29th, 2016 deadline for your free upgrade to Windows 10.  Unfortunately, we now must require payment for the upgrade, should you decide to do so.  If you do not upgrade, this is your prerogative, but please be aware that your machine will be logged for termination and cannot be responsible for any spontaneous combustion that may occur.  We sincerely hope that you will join the ever-growing Windows 10 community and be a part of something wonderful.  Again, if you choose to stay with the old, outdated and less popular Windows 7, that is your choice, but be aware that you may be subject to endless taunting and mysterious, anonymous phone calls in the middle of dinner of while you are sleeping, asking why you didn't upgrade.  Thank you."

 

:LMAO:

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You're probably not far off the truth there Jim. :smile:  The days when Bill Gates was in charge seem like a distant memory now. He never would have employed such underhand tactics to get you to change.

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You're probably not far off the truth there Jim. :smile:  The days when Bill Gates was in charge seem like a distant memory now. He never would have employed such underhand tactics to get you to change.

To be serious and honest Ray, I believe that Microsoft's goal is to cut down on fragmentation of the OS versions.  They may be trying to compact their support department and only have to focus on one version, this being Windows10.  Ultimately, that may happen with Win7's demise by what, 2020 or so?  I can't say as I blame them for trying to get everyone on the same OS version, just like Apple does with their OSX and even with Android, although the later is a bit more difficult due to phone carrier's stuck in between.

 

If it's any consolation to you Ray, and you know I am a straight-shooter, Windows 10 is just fine.  I've been using it solidly for quite a few months now and P3D is solid on it, as are all the rest of my applications.  I really don't have a single complaint about it that would be worthy of a negative.  I know I don't speak for the rest of the users out there, but my usage of 10 in relation to the purpose for my computer, is rather mixed, but regardless, it works, and works well.  I have an external HDD hooked up on my network via Wifi, it works.  My older inject printer works with legacy drivers, I don't have a desktop system so that could explain having no other hardware issues.  All in all, I am rather pleased with Win10.

 

I'll throw my support to ya Ray if you become the leader of the Last Bastion of Windows 7 Computing. :)

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Jim,

 

I agree they want to rationalise their OSs to a single one and normally I would take advantage of the offer. But these forced updates put me off. First time it's not been an option and I just don't like it. Having to switch off all that default invasive security is unwelcome too.

 

Second reason is I've seen no benefits for FSX so don't see the point of putting myself through a lot of grief to maintain the status quo.

 

Third reason is I have 2 Windows 7 DVDs with product keys. Where is my Windows 10 DVD with product key? If at some future point I want to install 10 and register it I assume I burn my own and use my 7 key. But I bought OEM versions of 7 so they are tied to a single computer. Yes, Microsoft will probably allow the registration but there are no certainties.

 

7 is supported until 2020 when in all likelihood I will have new computers and 10 will be installed. The price I will pay for 10 will be considerably less than the £100 being touted. Compared to the cost of a new computer the cost is quite small.

 

Those are my reasons why I haven't taken advantage of the free version. I suspect there will be many in the Last Bastion Club! :smile:

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Jim,

 

I agree they want to rationalise their OSs to a single one and normally I would take advantage of the offer. But these forced updates put me off. First time it's not been an option and I just don't like it. Having to switch off all that default invasive security is unwelcome too.

 

Second reason is I've seen no benefits for FSX so don't see the point of putting myself through a lot of grief to maintain the status quo.

 

Third reason is I have 2 Windows 7 DVDs with product keys. Where is my Windows 10 DVD with product key? If at some future point I want to install 10 and register it I assume I burn my own and use my 7 key. But I bought OEM versions of 7 so they are tied to a single computer. Yes, Microsoft will probably allow the registration but there are no certainties.

 

7 is supported until 2020 when in all likelihood I will have new computers and 10 will be installed. The price I will pay for 10 will be considerably less than the £100 being touted. Compared to the cost of a new computer the cost is quite small.

 

Those are my reasons why I haven't taken advantage of the free version. I suspect there will be many in the Last Bastion Club! :smile:

Oh I completely understand your reasoning and I don't fault your for sticking with what you have, but eventually, you will switch and if it takes another 3 years, you have to ask yourself whether it's time to upgrade your sim too.  Who knows what will be in store at that time...perhaps we'll revisit this again in 3 years and we'll start to get conversations going like the ones now of those who still use FS2004 and still swear by it. :)

 

The security was pretty straightforward and simple to disable.  Even in the Pro version, there are a lot of places to switch off, but at least they allow you to.  As for required updates, it can be argued whether it is to annoying the living Harvey out of you or they are just looking out for your security.  I merely switched due to my ever present curiosity thought I cannot say whether it was a good move or not.  To be honest, I never noticed any increased performance, so I guess an all SSD system made everything fast enough...I'm a bit neutral on it and for good reason, it's an OS that pretty much does what it's always done.  I shun the extra stuff like the voice assistant or the MS Store...do without, without getting bugged about it.

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Hi Jim,

 

Yes, a change of sim (which is a distinct possibility) in 3 years time will mean new kit and a new OS. That's the logical time to make the change. Until then my i7 4770K 4.4Ghz, GTX 780 3Gb card is sufficiently speedy for me to enjoy FSX and Concorde. :smile:

 

If you're happy with 10 then fine. Maybe we'll all be flying with VR headsets which requires 10 but how I read the paper whilst flying could prove challenging! :Big Grin:

 

Security may have changed again by then. Time will tell.

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Hi Jim,

 

Yes, a change of sim (which is a distinct possibility) in 3 years time will mean new kit and a new OS. That's the logical time to make the change. Until then my i7 4770K 4.4Ghz, GTX 780 3Gb card is sufficiently speedy for me to enjoy FSX and Concorde. :smile:

 

If you're happy with 10 then fine. Maybe we'll all be flying with VR headsets which requires 10 but how I read the paper whilst flying could prove challenging! :Big Grin:

 

Security may have changed again by then. Time will tell.

Ray, don't get me wrong, I loved Windows 7 and if it weren't for the good advice and baseline info I got at the time when I switched, I'd still be on the Win7 bandwagon.  I was just trying to offer some friendly advice that Win10 isn't as evil as some may make it out to be. :)

 

You'll have to pry my cold dead hands off of a controller before I embrace the VR. lol

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Jim, I'm sure 10 is fine as an OS. But as you said earlier if there are no benefits over 7 for FS then I don't see the point of switching other than saving a few bob.

 

Do you have a product key for your new OS? If your SSD crashed and a reinstall was required would they accept your 7 one.

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Jim, I'm sure 10 is fine as an OS. But as you said earlier if there are no benefits over 7 for FS then I don't see the point of switching other than saving a few bob.

 

Do you have a product key for your new OS? If your SSD crashed and a reinstall was required would they accept your 7 one.

Funny you should mention that.  When I got my rig, it came with Win7 Ultimate (my choice).  When 10 came out, it migrated without issue (did a full install instead of upgrade).  I had since done a full system reinstall, within Win10 (not the restore media I got with the computer) and everything came back fine.  All the drivers I needed were installed.  I did have to install some 3rd party applications, but that was no big deal.  On the whole, a reinstall worked fine.

 

You correct, I don't see benefits, heck I don't even know if 10 was supposed to be an improvement, and if it was, I never noticed. Well, ok, maybe the fact that some things in 7 that didn't work right now work fine, so 10 could be a bug fixer. lol

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Jim,

 

Sorry. Are you saying you entered your W7 product key to validate 10 or that it wasn't necessary to enter it as it was already validated?

 

Was the reinstall from your own burned W10 DVD onto a blank SSD?

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I never entered a key at all.  The first time I installed Win10, it picked it up from my system.  The reinstall I did a few months later found the key.

 

I also performed both installs of Win10 from a USB key I had handy.  I think it's a little quicker doing it that way over a DVD, plus it's one less disc to store. ;)

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