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Looks Like AS16, ASCA, & REX Soft Clouds CAN Work Together

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Doing some research today I found these ...

 

First, this link, where OMGEDSON seems to have applied all three packages simultaneously:

 

http://www.theskylounge.tv/forums/topic/1346-active-sky-2016-asca-rex-soft-clouds-my-thoughts-and-settings/

 

The solution was deceptively simple ... set the ASCA config to control only sky colors (or sky colors and cloud structures, if you like), then run the REX theme installer LAST so the textures in the sim are the REX Soft Cloud textures. 

 

Check out his screen shots on the site. There are plenty, including before / after (and note this before / after ASCA injection comparison):

 

Before (with REX):

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After (ASCA only):

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And here are some of the visuals achieved by using all three:
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Those have me pretty excited.

 

A YouTuber took this method and did a video on the process and results, which is here. Note that this is still Global Automatic:

 

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Very simple indeed, but then you would buy ASCA for the skies only... You'd be stuck with the same old soft clouds forever and ever. I know that some will like that but it sort of defeats the purpose of ASCA. You also won't get the 'new' complete overcast skies.

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I wonder if you would keep 'cloud structures' enabled in ASCA in order to get the nice thunderstorm clouds?  I'll have to try this out!

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I really didnt get why they made 2 separate products (as16 and asca). And more then that why asca hasn't got a demo ? How do we supposed to know if its really worth it without buying it.

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In terms of the video, part of me wonders how much people are just amazed by just turning their clouds to max.  It really is astonishing, even with ASN.  I do imagine that AS16 makes it even better but, gosh, it's getting hard to tell what's going on with people trying various things.  I haven't had time to load up my sim for a couple of weeks so I'm just sitting on the sidelines, watching everyone trying all the new things.

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The effects and the sky in AS16 makes P3D look like an entirely new sim. 

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I really didnt get why they made 2 separate products (as16 and asca)

So they could do dynamic texture loading.

 

 

 


And more then that why asca hasn't got a demo ? How do we supposed to know if its really worth it without buying it.

Because, this is not possible to create a demo of a product like this.  These are just textures.  How are they supposed to ensure you don't go past the demo period?  All they are are images stored on your HDD.  AFAIK, there's no way to make those "expire".

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Before (with REX):

bhK8u3b.jpg

 

After (ASCA only):

5ORclBW.jpg

 

 

Thank you - this alone is enough for me to stay with REX4/Soft Clouds, I see a significant downgrade going from that to ASCA.  I'll get AS16 for sure, but ASCA will wait.  Until they can best that top image, REX4 is where I stay.

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So they could do dynamic texture loading.

 

 

Because, this is not possible to create a demo of a product like this.  These are just textures.  How are they supposed to ensure you don't go past the demo period?  All they are are images stored on your HDD.  AFAIK, there's no way to make those "expire".

Well you said yourself. I need acsa to have dynamic weather, which means i need to have the client. What will help me to keep all those not very nice textures ?

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Thank you - this alone is enough for me to stay with REX4/Soft Clouds, I see a significant downgrade going from that to ASCA.  I'll get AS16 for sure, but ASCA will wait.  Until they can best that top image, REX4 is where I stay.

 

Of course, you abilities as a photographer will now be in question... :wink:

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I bit and did this this morning. Kept the cloud structures and sky textures. It worked really well. Clouds looked great and the weather changed without my ever noticing the weather had changed. For what it's worth, I was pleased.

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Some of those sky colours are very, very odd to look at. 

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What will help me to keep all those not very nice textures ?

Sorry, I'm not sure what you're asking here?  What "not very nice textures" are you trying to keep?

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Sorry, I'm not sure what you're asking here?  What "not very nice textures" are you trying to keep?

You said its just textures. But in fact its not, its a software that able you to have dynamic weather changes. Got it ?

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I really didnt get why they made 2 separate products (as16 and asca). And more then that why asca hasn't got a demo ? How do we supposed to know if its really worth it without buying it.

You said its just textures. But in fact its not, its a software that able you to have dynamic weather changes. Got it ?

You do not need ASCA to get dynamic weather changes. You ONLY need ASCA to get dynamic changing textures. Entirely different thing. Any weather addon will give you dynamic weather changes already.

 

And they made AS16 and ASCA seperate products because they are totally different. They do work together but can't be compared. AS16 is a weather engine and ASCA is a texture addon. They COULD have combined the two but they probably didn't because not everyone would want to have those new textures. Which various posts on this forum have proven to be true.

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You do not need ASCA to get dynamic weather changes. You ONLY need ASCA to get dynamic changing textures. Entirely different thing. Any weather addon will give you dynamic weather changes already.

 

I know. And this the only different thing here. With AS16 i dont see any difference from ASN.  So i will still need to have the ASCA software to have dynamic textures changes. Its as you need to have AS16 running all the time. 

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I know. And this the only different thing here. With AS16 i dont see any difference from ASN.  So i will still need to have the ASCA software to have dynamic textures changes. Its as you need to have AS16 running all the time. 

 

I can't believe you are not seeing a difference. Are you certain it installed correctly. Just some of the differences I see, which are many:

 

1 much improved haze and visibility effects

2. Turbulence effects are amazing. 

3. When flying through clouds, you see the clouds flying up past the windscreen at high speed like in real life. 

4. Increase cloud layers with no impact on FPS. 

 

Those are just a few changes I see from ASN and I am using Rex soft clouds as I was with ASN. 

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I can't believe you are not seeing a difference. Are you certain it installed correctly. Just some of the differences I see, which are many:

 

1 much improved haze and visibility effects

2. Turbulence effects are amazing. 

3. When flying through clouds, you see the clouds flying up past the windscreen at high speed like in real life. 

4. Increase cloud layers with no impact on FPS. 

 

Those are just a few changes I see from ASN and I am using Rex soft clouds as I was with ASN. 

 

Even overcast is better ? 

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What is it that ASCA can do that Softclouds cannot? What is it that Softclouds does that ASCA cannot?

Also...it seems to me that ASCA has a "live mode" which portrays the clouds the way they look at the present moment. Now...if I use historical mode on AS16, will the clouds also look the same as they did at a given time and location?

 

I am looking at screenshots and reading your replies (greatly appreciated), but still confused as to what each component brings to the table.

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Even overcast is better ?

 

Eesh.  Do you have cloud settings full right?

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Eesh.  Do you have cloud settings full right?

Tough to say without his AS logs, settings details, location, METAR, etc.

 

I never saw anything like that in months of testing AS16 with and without ASCA and with trying both dynamic and static ASCA themes.

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The 'Before with REX' shot is by far the best pic, the rest look really - really bad :sad:

 

Several step back IMHO... back to default FS9 by the look of those images :sad:

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@bobsk8 - Thanx - that's exactly what I was seeing during testing. I'm a little long n the tooth but I can still remember quite well what the skies looked like when I was up in them. Shooting an approach and breaking out just over the christmas tree in P3D with AS16 and ASCA gets my heart going just as it did back then.

 

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What is it that ASCA can do that Softclouds cannot? What is it that Softclouds does that ASCA cannot?

Also...it seems to me that ASCA has a "live mode" which portrays the clouds the way they look at the present moment. Now...if I use historical mode on AS16, will the clouds also look the same as they did at a given time and location?

 

I am looking at screenshots and reading your replies (greatly appreciated), but still confused as to what each component brings to the table.

Softclouds gives you cloud textures that look a bit soft. ASCA gives you a lot of different cloud textures and sky textures and in combination with AS16 it will change textures on the fly, without you having to do anything. Before ASCA was released every flight you did was done with one set of textures, but now you can see as many sets of textures as the weather dictates.

 

Concerning the clouds looking the same at a given time and location: do not expect too much of this. I mean, it will never ever be possible to see the exact clouds in the sim as you see them out of your window. It will always be some sort of generic approximation. The weather data a weather engine works with isn't detailed enough, and will never be, to simulate every cloud there is and certainly not in every spot. Weather data always gives information about weather in a larger area. If the weather looks similar to what you see out of your window, you should be very happy already.

 

3. When flying through clouds, you see the clouds flying up past the windscreen at high speed like in real life.

 

Aaaaah, so that is what that effect does! Of course. I didn't really get that. Quite some time ago there was a discussion about clouds passing by too slowly, as if the clouds you were flying through passed by at a speed you'd expect from miles away. So ASCA solves this. Very nice. A good sense of speed is something that was really lacking up to now. Now I am really getting interested. Pity there isn't much news about the new REX addons yet. But I am on the verge of buying the HIFI addons also because REX never really delivered the goods in the weather department and I would be very surprised if they would manage to surpass HIFI now.

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The weather data a weather engine works with isn't detailed enough

 

This!!!!.... In this aspect it isn't detailed at all. Any claims by FS environment vendors is pure marketing and BS. Yes, they can pick a unique texture set, but if it has any bearing on what the sky looks like in that part of the world, at that time, is pure luck. The amount of variation REX, AS or any others provide is actually very minimal, so basically any cloud/sky combo will have as much chance as any other.

 

 

 

Aaaaah

 

 

Yeah, but its an effect...... when it kicks in and your not in a cloud (which it does often) it looks stupid. It looks more like your engine is failing rather than flying through a cloud.

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