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Annoying OOM dinging, need help!

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Okay this is weird, I have a pretty decent setup, not sure why but I am constantly getting a lot of those OOM dinging sounds early in the game now. Even when sitting at the gate doing my cockpit preparations. I have my settings set to medium, and not sure what is eating up so much VAS during the very beginning stages of my flight.

 

I am running P3D v3.3.5 with the following add-ons:

 

PMDG 777, FSDT KIAH, FTX Global, FTX openLC NA, FTX Vector, Active Sky Next, Pro-ATCX, PFPX, Aivlasoft EFB, FS2Crew 777, RAAS

 

My p3d settings are:

 

Texture Size 2048x2048

MSAA 4x

AA 4x

FXAA off

The 3 autogen sliders normal

Special Effects low

AI Traffic Commercial 15%, GA 0%, Airport Traffic Low

Cars 5%, Ships 10%, Ferries 4%

I am using Rob;'s Vector settings and have disabled swamps, marsges, tertiary, 2ndary roads etc.

Dynamic Reflections off

Lens Flare off

Shadows Low

Water Medium

 

I am running Windows 10 Pro 64bit with 32GB Ram installed. I know P3D has a 4GB limit, but is there a way to find out what's taking up my VAS? The other apps I have running alongside P3D are using my system memory outside of the 4GB VAS right? This is extremely annoying as I can't even fly the PMDG 777 most of the time without running out of memory. Sigh I really hope P3D makes the switch to 64bit soon.

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Did you actually check your VAS...? Maybe the dingding (using FSUIPC, I presume?) is set up wrong somehow?

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PMDG 777, FSDT KIAH, FTX Global, FTX openLC NA, FTX Vector, Texture Size 2048x2048 ....... The perfect cocktail for OOM. And now with open lc na it seems that situation is worse than ever ....

 

Try to reduce the texture size, and put traffic on zero .... Perhaps, but not sure it will do the job ...

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I also noticed this has become more frequently since i moved to 4K and offcause installed Vector and OpenLC NA.

 

But i find it normal since RAAS+Vector cant eat 4-500MB of VAS alone.

 

Try without them (at least disable RAAS from your exe.dll (or xml.dll) and Vector to only sparse roads  

 

If using REX you could go for 1024/512 on cloud texture size as well

 

Michael Moe

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Sorry I'm also using Rex Texture Direct 4 with Soft Clouds and My Traffic 6 as well. I am already using 1024/512 for the cloud textures. 

 

My resolution is 2560x1600.

 

and yes I'm using FSUIPC to monitor my VAS. I notice it starts with about 750000 and then the ding noises starts around 250000, and then OOM error at around 111000.

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Check your system for virus or malwares. I had the same VAS problem and  found a malware that was using about 75% of CPU and GPU and was not detected by anti-virus. I found out when using process Lasso, it was listed above P3d..

 

Mulgrave.

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Try disabling OpenLC NA lights in the scenery library and see if that has an effect...I suspect these may be causing some of the VAS problems reported with OpenLC NA.....both day and night.  I could be wrong...I have not tested the VAS effect of them yet to confirm but wouldn't hurt to try.  They are causing me other issues related to performance and it happens both day and night.  Disabling the lights solves the issue for me.

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Malware? I have tried using Malware Antibytes and Spybot Search & Destroy already. Didn't really detect anything out of the ordinary.

 

However I do notice that there seem to be a window that pops up randomly and closes so quickly that I have no idea what it is. It's like a Command window, but it looks all black. Not sure if this is Windows 10 is doing it's auto updates or not. Is there a way to see what that Window is and what it's doing? I can't even go into task manager to see the process because it happens in like a blink of an eye.

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I had similar probs and unistalled vector, I was the same went to heathrow with 777 or concorde etc and my vas was down to 300 or less - so after  a while I uninstalled vector - no more ooms.

This is only for my setup and may be different for others - so leave it with you.

 

Denis Brown

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PMDG 777, FSDT KIAH, FTX Global, FTX openLC NA, FTX Vector, Texture Size 2048x2048 ....... The perfect cocktail for OOM. And now with open lc na it seems that situation is worse than ever ....

 

 Ding ding ding! Nailed it there!

 

  Aside for the NA LC bit, sure it adds to the heap but it gets called out only because it's the most recent addon that many of us have added and therefore gets more blame.

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Sure, i agree with you Dave but as you know the model of sales of  Orbx conduct you to buy the 3 Item (global / vector / open LC ).

 

So if you want to add a good airport and a big tubeliner .......... 

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 Ding ding ding! Nailed it there!

 

  Aside for the NA LC bit, sure it adds to the heap but it gets called out only because it's the most recent addon that many of us have added and therefore gets more blame.

 

 

So there's no way I can run all these add-ons simultaneously when flying PMDG 777? You're meaning to tell me that nobody here can run the following add-ons without getting OOM in P3D?

 

 

All the add-ons I'm currently running (in no particular order):

 

  1. PMDG 777
  2. FSDT KIAH
  3. FTX Global
  4. FTX openLC NA
  5. FTX Vector
  6. Active Sky Next
  7. Pro-ATCX
  8. PFPX
  9. Aivlasoft EFB
  10. FS2Crew 777
  11. RAAS
  12. REX Texture Direct 4 with Soft Clouds
  13. MyTraffic 6
  14. Immersion 777 (FSPackages)

If the answer is yes, then the problem doesn't only apply to me. Looks like I'll have to give up one or more add-ons then. It would be great if there's a way for me to pinpoint exactly how much VAS usage each add-on is using, that way I can make a better judgement on what I should disable.

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Hi Aaron,
 
Try the following:
 
LOD - 4.5 (P3d setting in the middle I think)
Texture size - 1024
 
This will save at least 400mb to 500mb VAS. But even then, 500mb is still not enough to get you from point A to point B in the 777. Also, I would disable FTX openLC NA and FTX Vector if most of your flying is at FL410. As stated above, you have created the perfect storm in OOM.

Fly safe

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Sure, i agree with you Dave but as you know the model of sales of  Orbx conduct you to buy the 3 Item (global / vector / open LC ).

 

So if you want to add a good airport and a big tubeliner .......... 

 

 Of course they want you to buy all three but it doesn't mean you have to. I have all three but choose not to install Vector as it was brutal on the VAS, among other things and the sim works and looks great without it. Before the NA LC came out on previous my build a couple weeks ago I ran UTX NA and it was VERY good, combining vector, and landclass together in one package. I still think I'll run that route for Europe actually, UTX does a fantastic job without hitting the VAS as hard as the vector/LC combo from ORBX.

 

 

 

 

It would be great if there's a way for me to pinpoint exactly how much VAS usage each add-on is using

 You can.. Disable them one by one and run the sim to see. Personally, I'd reboot the pc between each test just to keep the playing field level. Start with RAAS and see what happens, I was pleasantly surprised. Only you though can decide what is worth disabling or reducing in your sim. You have a ton of options there to play with to make it work.

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"Personally, I'd reboot the pc between each test just to keep the playing field level"
 
I agree with this as well. I always reboot my PC after a flight.

 

Fly safe

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Try using Traffic Optimizer to put a cap on the amount of AI traffic and to eliminate distant AI planes that you probably can't even see.  AI models, especially ones with poor or no mip-mapping in their textures, can eat a lot of VAS.

 

Also, if you have an older PC or the resources to grab an inexpensive back-to-school special, you can offload ActiveSky, PFPX, ATC-Pro/X, and Aivlasoft EFB (and Traffic Optimizer, aka ATM) to that and run those programs over the network.

 

Vector (or UTX for those that use it instead) can also clobber VAS if the settings are too high, with lots of minor road and other detail.  You didn't mention terrain mesh, but that can also pose VAS issues.

 

Last, there is a known memory leak issue with the PMDG 777 related to a particular feature seen in STARS and approaches (heading to course intercept IIRC), so don't program your FMS with arrival data at the beginning of your flight.  There's more on that in their forum.

 

Regards

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I have found that Orbx Vector can clobber scarce VAS,  I usually keep all the eye candy not seen at flight levels turned off, like streams, power lines, parks and secondary road options.  The other day I turned on vector traffic in all roads while testing the poor performance of openLC NA Lights on a NGX trip KMIA-KEWR and I started getting the low VAS ding.  I haven't hear that sound yet in v3.3 so it was a surprise.  I saved the scenario but continued the trip and P3D managed to keep me from the edge of the cliff.

 

I love what Vector does to most coastlines and wetlands but I don't need to see the details of a highway at FL340.

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Thanks everyone for the help. I'll do more testing tonight on another flight. I've been doing KIAH-KDFW primarily yesterday for about 4x and each and every time I'm getting the DING and then eventually OOM when I'm close to approaching KDFW. Flight is a very short one, maybe 30-40 minutes...  I guess the combination of all my add-ons with 2 payware airports (FSDT KIAH and FSDT KDFW) in such short distance is causing this, and I also notice when the weather is a bit cloudy or bad, it makes things worse as well. My fps will start to drop and things aren't as smooth. Such a shame. For you guys who fly mainly IFR tubeliners such as PMDG 737/777 or Aerosoft Airbus, what are your settings like? What add-ons do you keep and what do you disable?

 

However, when flying my Legacy, thing's are much smoother, and I haven't gotten an OOM as far as I can remember. This only happens when I'm flying the PMDG 777.

 

Thanks for the tip about entering in STAR and setting up for approach at the last minute due to a memory leak. That's what I've been doing on my short hop from KIAH-KDFW.

 

For IFR, I guess what's really important to me is flying with AI using Pro-ATC, because it brings the skies and airport to life. So I must keep MyTraffic add-on. I haven't tried P3D Traffic Optimizer yet, I'll look into that to see if that will help as well. I might have to disable Immersion 777. I can live without those effects. Everything else, I'd really like to keep.

 

My testing ground is sitting at the gate at FSDT's KIAH in the 777. I notice my VAS starts at around 700000, which I'm guessing means I have around 700mb left, and eventually when approaching KDFW, it'll drop down to 111000, and then I get the OOM error.

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I have FSDT KIAH and KDFW and can assure you that is not the problem.  I also use 4096 texture settings and pretty much all sliders to the right except building autogen (it is costly to use) and mesh resolution because KIAH gets spikes with higher than 5m settings.

 

Your traffic add on is a memory hog. I never use fake traffic, it's not realistic enough for me.

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Two of my friends are running into the same OOM issues with the PMDG 737 and 777 now with vector/OLC/Global. Try running the lower bitrate sound pack for the 777 that will help a little and also turn off all the boxes in vector config tool. For the 737 I've switched to the lower texture settings in the ops center and that helps a bit.

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I know everybody holds them on a high pedestal, but this is one of the things I don't like about PMDG's products. They have such a massive VAS hit that it always makes it a challenge to run without running up against the limit. I'm not saying there's anything *bad* about their products, but I just think it's kind of unfair to call out product x y or z for high VAS useage; ultimately a detailed addon of any kind is going to have a VAS hit, so it's basically "pick your poison" until a 64bit version comes out.

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I have FSDT KIAH and KDFW and can assure you that is not the problem.  I also use 4096 texture settings and pretty much all sliders to the right except building autogen (it is costly to use) and mesh resolution because KIAH gets spikes with higher than 5m settings.

 

Your traffic add on is a memory hog. I never use fake traffic, it's not realistic enough for me.

 

 

So you're saying the main culprit is MyTraffic 6? Could you please post your computer specs and what resolution you're running at? I want to do a comparison to see what could be the cause of this. I'm pretty sure its the AI traffic add-on that's taking a big chunk of my VAS. From reading the entire 35 page thread about the P3D Traffic Optimizer, I heard that this is one of the biggest cause of OOM, high VAS usage and can affect your fps as well. I will do another test using this tool to see if this help me with my VAS/OOM issue.

 

Because my P3D graphic settings are very "conservative now", although I have an i7-3770k, I would think that my system setup would allow me more headroom to push P3D a bit more than this.

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Your system has absolutely no bearing on how far you can "push" P3D. An old Pentium IV 2ghz with 8gb of ram could run all the same things with the same OOM limit (but obviously at a lower FPS.) It's all a function of P3D's 32bit core.

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I have found vector to use up to 400mb on my system . 200 with all items disabled. Dont uninstall disable in scenary library for heavy flights it is great for vfr. Same sometimes for regions.

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I had similar probs and unistalled vector, I was the same went to heathrow with 777 or concorde etc and my vas was down to 300 or less - so after  a while I uninstalled vector - no more ooms.

This is only for my setup and may be different for others - so leave it with you.

 

Denis Brown

 

Same here.

After uninstalling Vector I never had OOM issues again.

 

I am also using MT6 with ~30% traffic. Vector was the one addon which caused me a lot of trouble. My sim is far more stable without Vector.

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