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It appears my 34 year old system is dying.  I was pretty good with FSX and managing the add ons.

 

I want to build a new system:

 

Should I go with FSX or P3D?

I know nothing about P3D and is the learning curve much?

I just want to fly some PMDG planes 777, new 747 and 737NG.  I want some add ons like FlyTampa and want to do some VATSIM flying - that's it.

 

Will P3D be a hard transition?

 

Secondly, here is the proposed system:

 

Windows 10 pro

ASRock Z170 Professional Gaming Motherboard

i7 6700  OC to 4.6 GHz

liquid cooling

32 GB DDR4 2666 MHZ ram

8GB Nvidia GeForce 1080 card

750 watt PS

1 tb SSD

 

$3300

Is this system high end???

I see the Titan X card is out there but it adds +$1000 and the guy building this says it wont make a difference?

Do I need 2 cards?  will that help.  I am running dual monitors, I'd like to upgrade to a 4K TV as a monitor someday.

 

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What kind of liquid cooling? Could be a rubbish AIO, top-notch AIO, or cooled by UFO toxic coolant water from Area 51.

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I'd like Jetline Sims  to build my machine and load in either P3D or FSX with all the addons.

The liquid cooling is Corsair Hydro Series H115i (I know nothing about it - that is what they quoted me)

 

Is there anything realistically that I should add to enhance performance like the following:

I see the Titan X Pascal card has better performance but costs a lot more.  Is is worth it?

Also should I wait for the i7 7700 CPU in January??

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That is way too much money for that system. Build it yourself and save well over 1000 dollars. I can't believe they're chaarging this much, stealing from you:

 

 

 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($87.88 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GAMING X 8G Video Card  ($649.45 @ B&H) 
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($44.99 @ Newegg) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit  ($83.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $1776.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-20 08:06 EST-0500
 
Also why 32Gb of RAM? You won't make use of anything close to that.

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Also should I wait for the i7 7700 CPU in January??

 

Yes.  It is not far away and time is flying.

 

By then the Z270 chipset motherboards will be out also.

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I could be wrong, but I don't think you can overclock the 6700 chip (?): I think it must be the 6700K...

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Jetline will take good care of you and provides a good service for the money. Some people don't want to build there own systems. My only complaint is that my system now shows all the limitations and warts of the current batch of flight sims. The 1080 should be good. I'm running 4k now on a 50" TV and will never go back to a small monitor.  You cant go wrong with Jetline and they will always be there to help you with anything flight sim even if it isn't hardware.  Josh

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Jetline will take good care of you and provides a good service for the money. Some people don't want to build there own systems. My only complaint is that my system now shows all the limitations and warts of the current batch of flight sims. The 1080 should be good. I'm running 4k now on a 50" TV and will never go back to a small monitor.  You cant go wrong with Jetline and they will always be there to help you with anything flight sim even if it isn't hardware.  Josh

 

If you want to spend well over a grand for that then go right ahead.

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Wow, great information.  At least I have some bargaining room.  Yeah, no way I could build my own machine.  I may have 160 IQ and two mater degrees in engineering, but I'll probably set the house on fire or get electrocuted if I try assembling such a beast.  I will have Jetline install all the software as well.

 

My only question to the group is:

Should I switch to P3D now, or stay with FSX.  With FSX, I at least know how to navigate around, add liveries, change settings.

I know NOTHING about P3D and I am afraid the learning curve will be too steep. 

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Wow, great information.  At least I have some bargaining room.  Yeah, no way I could build my own machine.  I may have 160 IQ and two mater degrees in engineering, but I'll probably set the house on fire or get electrocuted if I try assembling such a beast.  I will have Jetline install all the software as well.

 

My only question to the group is:

Should I switch to P3D now, or stay with FSX.  With FSX, I at least know how to navigate around, add liveries, change settings.

I know NOTHING about P3D and I am afraid the learning curve will be too steep. 

 

 

It is extremely easy, check out some videos on youtube. It is basically lego for adults. Very simple, not much in it. Please, please, please at least consider it as you would be saving so much money.

 

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I also run P3D on an ultraHD (4K) 50" HDR monitor (which has a 60Hz HDMI port, which is important to achieve 60FPS) and i7 and GTX 1080 card (see my signature below).

 

I have a well ventilated case, good CPU and case fans and nothing is overclocked and see no need for water cooling. My GTX1080 card also has excellent cooling (non water cooled)

 

With ORBX scenery, REX textures and AS16 and the details turned way up I regularly get 60 FPS at glorious 4K resolution in P3D which  is stunning.

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Windows 10 pro
ASRock Z170 Professional Gaming Motherboard
i7 6700  OC to 4.6 GHz
liquid cooling
32 GB DDR4 2666 MHZ ram
8GB Nvidia GeForce 1080 card
750 watt PS
1 tb SSD
 
$3300

 

That seems expensive (especially with no monitor)?  Is that $3300 US?

 

Win10 Pro $140

i7 6700 is $300

Z170 motherboard ASRock $190

32GB DDR4 RAM 2666 $180

nVidia 1080 8GB VRAM $620

750 Watt PSU $100

1TB SSD Samsung EVO 850 $330

Water cooling ?? need more details on this closed setup $130, custom loop $300 (ish)

 

Total: $2010-$2160

 

So where is the $1200+ difference?

 

Cheers, Rob.

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Yes that is $3300 US.  I guess if I am not smart enough to build my own, I'll need to pay someone $1300.  Hell, I paid $6,000 for my current system from Stealth Machines (no monitor either).  Then again, I paid $70,000 for a new Dodge Hellcat Charger with 707 HP and live in Long Island where the speed limit is 55 mph.  My top speed is only 80 mph so far.  Go figure!  I always over do it.

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I guess if I am not smart enough to build my own, I'll need to pay someone $1300.  

 

 

 

That's a HUGE markup though. Last time I built a top notch PC for someone and spent considerable time building the best system I could, great components, great performance, super tidy cable management, I made 100 of my English pounds.

 

A $1300 markup would be defined by many as a ripoff!

 

Is there anywhere else you can order from, not such a ripoff?

 

 

I guess if I am not smart enough to build my own

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure you would be smart enough.  :smile: It's just overcoming the apprehension and diving in. As long as there are no issues, it's pretty straightforward.

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Yeah, no way I could build my own machine. I may have 160 IQ and two mater degrees in engineering, but I'll probably set the house on fire or get electrocuted if I try assembling such a beast.

 

 

Really ?, Two masters degrees in engineering and you never had any exposure to electrical work or wiring, wow.

We are basically talking about pushing a few cards into slots and connecting a few colour coded and labelled connectors here, I have seen harder childrens games than building a PC these days.

But hey if you want to pay thousands for someone to do an hours work for you then fine, go ahead.

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As long as each component works, then yes, building a PC is like building a LEGO car as long as you follow an assembly checklist and test each component as you are building the PC.  When I built my latest PC, I needed 4 hours for physical assembly and about 24 hours for the hardware burn-in test before I declared the PC completed.  There are plenty of Youtube tutorials on building PCs, testing components, etc.  I build a new system every 5 years and do find it is a hassle to reacquaint myself with the building process, research the components, and repurchase diagnostics tools. 

 

As far as the choice of flight sim, you will probably still need FSX for some of your add-ons, so why not pick up FSX:Steam Edition when it is on sale in late December for $5?  Then, you can build FSX:SE to your current configuration, migrate your flying to P3D, then only use FSX:SE when an add-on doesn't work in P3D.

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Really ?, Two masters degrees in engineering and you never had any exposure to electrical work or wiring, wow.

We are basically talking about pushing a few cards into slots and connecting a few colour coded and labelled connectors here, I have seen harder childrens games than building a PC these days.

But hey if you want to pay thousands for someone to do an hours work for you then fine, go ahead.

 

Depends on the type of engineering. He didn't say Electrical Engineering.

 

Quite a bit of hyperbole from you... not exactly a childrens game, but yes not hard for those reasonably handy.

 

We musn't be too hard on those not wanting to self build. Quite a few people aren't, unlike us, that way inclined.

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"Sanity Check" well Mr. Gugliotta seems like a majority of people here are advising against spending so much money for someone else to build it for you. But you clearly have the money to burn so go right ahead.

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Depends on the type of engineering. He didn't say Electrical Engineering.

 

Even young folk taking a basic mechanical apprenticeship here in the UK  need also to do electrical engineering  as part of their studies, it is almost impossible to work as a mechanical engineer in the UK without also possessing at least basic electrical engineering skills.

I find it strange that someone would go to the trouble of gaining two engineering masters degrees without having some interest and curiosity in how things work or have at least some mechanical/electrical aptitude.

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5 years ago, my daughter assembled my 2500k rig with my supervision/instruction.  (I had to install the heat sink though.)

 

She was 7 at the time.

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I used to always self build.

 

Only problem is if you accidentally damage an i7 cpu or GTX 1080 graphics card then it is a costly problem as may not be covered by warranty.

 

I use a store that has very cheap parts and only charges $100 for the build and with 12 months warranty for the PC + any extra warranties as per the manufacturer for the particular component.

 

$100 is great peace of mind for me :-)

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Then again, I paid $70,000 for a new Dodge

 

Well there is your problem, at 4448 lbs of  "Dodge" - you'll need all of that 707 HP to get moving (power to weight 6.29 lbs per HP) ... have you thought about a Lotus + a Turbo for about the same $$$ and you have 2000 lbs at 400 Hp (power to weight of 5.0 lbs per HP)?  :)

 

I forgot to include the case cost - $100-$200 pending on what you need/want, but that still put you at a $1000 over ... and I think that Dodge will want that $1000 for it's 13 mpg rating ... hehe.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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