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What do you guys use for ATC chatter?

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I'm aware of the product from Cielosim where you can plug in your own ATC files.  Is that what folks use?  Something else?

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I use Pilot2ATC for my ATC needs and it has the feature to add your chatter files.

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I agree with Joel, use VATSIM, IVAO or Pilot2ATC.

 

I just don't understand why one would use the product mentioned, and listen to ATC from different airports/sectors yet not be able to interact with them, or the point in doing so.  Of course that doesn't mean that someone might not want to hear that, though when I was flying in an area heavy with commercial traffic I couldn't wait to get out of an approach area so I wouldn't have to listen to all the commercial chatter - it can really wear one out and I don't' know a single pilot who feels differently.

 

But if one really wants to hear real world chatter from areas other than they are flying, they could always bring up LiveATC and pipe it to there speakers or headset easily enough.

 

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LIVE ATC from the Internet on a client PC the sound of which is connected to the server PC's sound system. It's great because I can control ATC's volume separately from the server's volume. It's also nice to hear the live broadcast make reference to the same active runway as the one selected by PILOT2ATC.

 

Season's Greetings,

 

JJ

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I agree with Joel, use VATSIM, IVAO or Pilot2ATC.


I just don't understand why one would use the product mentioned, and listen to ATC from different airports/sectors yet not be able to interact with them, or the point in doing so. Of course that doesn't mean that someone might not want to hear that, though when I was flying in an area heavy with commercial traffic I couldn't wait to get out of an approach area so I wouldn't have to listen to all the commercial chatter - it can really wear one out and I don't' know a single pilot who feels differently.

But if one really wants to hear real world chatter from areas other than they are flying, they could always bring up LiveATC and pipe it to there speakers or headset easily enough.

 

I've been flying VATSIM more but sometimes ATC just isn't on much and, if it weren't for the fact I was flying the Aerosoft A320 with it's built in chatter, it would have been very silent.  Pilot2ATC was hanging on my PC every flight...nice...has potential...but not to the point I'd pay for it yet.  The chatter is just mental company.  The Cielosim idea isn't a bad one for that situation...just not sure if anyone has tried it or has another thing they use.

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LiveATC or Airbus built in ATC chatter (when I "drive" the bus ;) )

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PF3 has ATC chatter with actual AI aircraft flying  nearby. 

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PF3 has ATC chatter with actual AI aircraft flying  nearby. 

This is the most realistic. As a pilot you have to maintain a "listening watch". Not only to listen out for your own call sign but to make a mental picture in your mind of what other a/c are doing in your area. If you have your AI set high at 70% or more then PF3 chatter is almost continuous and you really have to be alert. Now that's real!!

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This is the most realistic. As a pilot you have to maintain a "listening watch". Not only to listen out for your own call sign but to make a mental picture in your mind of what other a/c are doing in your area. If you have your AI set high at 70% or more then PF3 chatter is almost continuous and you really have to be alert. Now that's real!!

 

PF3 is the only ATC i have used in flight simming, and I have used them all at one time, that makes me feel like I am flying in the real world. 

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PF3 is the only ATC i have used in flight simming, and I have used them all at one time, that makes me feel like I am flying in the real world.

 

Is it possible to use PF3 for ATC chatter but not use them for ATC?  I'm just not very interested in trying machine-based ATC right now.  When I leave a VATSIM controlled area heading to another, I'd just like some chatter and to follow my flight plan.

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The chatter is just mental company. The Cielosim idea isn't a bad one for that situation...just not sure if anyone has tried it or has another thing they use.

 

I totally agree Gregg.  If I was on VATSIM I would be interested in having my aircraft communicate with AI, as it is a bit more realistic. I do not use VATSIM and just doing a private flight session, so it's nice to have some ATC in the background for some added immersion in the flight.  I have little or no interest in realism when it comes to ATC.  In addition to some background ATC (I use ProATC-X and Ralph Zimmerman's stuff), I enable the default ATC too as it communicates with aircraft around me.  You can do this without communicating with the default ATC, by opening up the default ATC and selecting the appropriate com channel such as SoCal or LAX Center or LAX approach, etc.  When I do this, ATC will usually ask the AI if they see me or not (but won't ask me if I see the AI).  I can also use the default ATC to land too if I desire by contacting Approach (and only Approach during the flight).

 

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Jim

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Is it possible to use PF3 for ATC chatter but not use them for ATC?  I'm just not very interested in trying machine-based ATC right now.  When I leave a VATSIM controlled area heading to another, I'd just like some chatter and to follow my flight plan.

PF3 Chatter is generated on the spot so to speak. It's not pre-recorded.

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PF3 is the only ATC i have used in flight simming, and I have used them all at one time, that makes me feel like I am flying in the real world.

 

Is it also better than proatc for IFR? Does it work in full screen or you need to run it on separate window (game beaker for me as I use one screen in full and I think PATC can be used like that? I still need to decide which way to go :-)

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Is it also better than proatc for IFR? Does it work in full screen or you need to run it on separate window (game beaker for me as I use one screen in full and I think PATC can be used like that? I still need to decide which way to go :-)

 

PF3 works perfectly in fullscreen. It is controlled by hotkeys. No separate window, not even a popup menu.

This is the most realistic. As a pilot you have to maintain a "listening watch". Not only to listen out for your own call sign but to make a mental picture in your mind of what other a/c are doing in your area. If you have your AI set high at 70% or more then PF3 chatter is almost continuous and you really have to be alert. Now that's real!!

 

I agree that this is one of the great features of PF3.

 

Unfortunately this AI chatter is lost when using AI Controller. Are there any news on a possible co-operation of these great applications?

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Unfortunately this AI chatter is lost when using AI Controller. Are there any news on a possible co-operation of these great applications?

PF3's developer has been in touch with the developer of AI Controller. So wait and see.

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I apologize for asking this question but I get mixed up switching back and forth between PF3 and ProATC and as a result I can't remember which app has which options. In PF3 isn't some of the ATC chatter just completely fake, which tends to get repetitive? The airlines that are used for adding the synthetic chatter are often geographic anomalies and their pilots have geographicly inappropriate accents. Embedded in this chatter is real communication with AI aircraft.

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ProATC has real ATC chatter which can be set corrisponding to the country that you are currently flying over. PATC also talks to the AI Aircraft you have installed into your sim. Authentic ATC (can be set by country from the DATA tab within PATC) available is DE, BE, CH, FR, UK, ES, NL. I have just added NOR, IRE and RUS.

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I apologize for asking this question but I get mixed up switching back and forth between PF3 and ProATC and as a result I can't remember which app has which options. In PF3 isn't some of the ATC chatter just completely fake, which tends to get repetitive? The airlines that are used for adding the synthetic chatter are often geographic anomalies and their pilots have geographicly inappropriate accents. Embedded in this chatter is real communication with AI aircraft.

PF3 uses communication between ATc and the AI aircraft. They talk to each other regarding headings and altitude. You can see which aircraft PF3 is talking to if you use a moving map like  Plan G.  The chatter in Pro ATC, is pre recorded by a 3rd party vendor ( that is what I used) and randomly plays atc chatter from actual ATC transmissions, over and over. Has nothing to do with what AI are doing. You realize after awhile that you are hearing the same files over and over, although there are many of them. 

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Bob,

 

I just checked. When communicating with anything but Centers, PF3 uses phonetic phrasing with nearby AI aircraft on that frequency. But when communicating with a Center, except for the user aircraft, everything else heard seems prerecorded. I'll have to compare it ProATC when I get a chance.

 

Jay

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Hi Bob, actually you get both in ProATC, the authentic ATC backround, which as I said, is dependent on the country you are flying over (and, only works if the user sets it from within PATC) and the live ATC, which is the ProATC ATC talking to all the AI aircraft in your area. I have many videos showing this in action.

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Bob,

 

I just checked. When communicating with anything but Centers, PF3 uses phonetic phrasing with nearby AI aircraft on that frequency. But when communicating with a Center, except for the user aircraft, everything else heard seems prerecorded. I'll have to compare it ProATC when I get a chance.

 

Jay

There is absolutely no pre-recorded chatter in PF3. All of it is made up on the fly according to the AI. Sometimes you may hear a phonetic call sign because the AI isn't set up properly. Or that is the real registration. PF3 has 1,083 callsigns plus you can make up your own. You will never hear a call sign made up of alphanumeric characters as you do in proatc. Which is wholly unreal. Never done in real life.

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Bob,

 

I just checked. When communicating with anything but Centers, PF3 uses phonetic phrasing with nearby AI aircraft on that frequency. But when communicating with a Center, except for the user aircraft, everything else heard seems prerecorded. I'll have to compare it ProATC when I get a chance.

 

Jay

 

No pre recorded ATC in PF3. 

Hi Bob, actually you get both in ProATC, the authentic ATC backround, which as I said, is dependent on the country you are flying over (and, only works if the user sets it from within PATC) and the live ATC, which is the ProATC ATC talking to all the AI aircraft in your area. I have many videos showing this in action.

 

 

Been quite awhile since I switched to PF3, so I guess I forgot.  

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I pull up LiveATC on my phone and play it through a bluetooth speaker.  I can change to applicable sectors as I fly.  Works great for me, I don't care much about chatter between my AI aircraft...

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Maybe prerecorded is the wrong word. It's not real ATC chatter that's been recorded. It's synthetic chatter from nonexistent aircraft that is created from the existing voice sets.

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Maybe prerecorded is the wrong word. It's not real ATC chatter that's been recorded. It's synthetic chatter from nonexistent aircraft that is created from the existing voice sets.

Except the a/c exist in PF3 they are the AI and can be seen on your TCAS. So it's much closer to reality than hearing canned chatter.

 

Canned chatter was real the day it was recorded but bears no relation at all to aircraft around you which is vitally important for yours and their safety. As said before your requirement as crew is to maintain a listening watch in order to picture what is happening around you. Real ATC is absolutely no way "background" and you would fail your RT exam (which fails your bid to become a pilot in the UK) if you didn't listen.

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