but my point is that forking out a grand or more for a new PC these days does not necessarily give us the performance improvements that we took for granted over a decade ago.

 

A grand or more... that's only those intent on a brand new rig. Motherboard, CPU and RAM is of course less than that. But yes, of course we won't see the big gains after each new architecture we saw ten years ago, as we both agree. But as I said, it's overall performance that's relevant, not what a select group of simmers want in terms of single core. And when we look at that, and deduct the frequency difference, so clock for clock, we see improvements that most would be happy with.

 

Hasse has first hand experience, so worth paying attention to his post...

 

 

 

 

When I see people stating that they are upgrading an i7 4790k PC to an i7 6700k, it makes me wonder if they have money trees in their back gardens

 

They might be well off, nothing wrong with that. But by the same token, as I said before, newer platforms bring more than just performance. Thus, there may be other new features that they deem worthwhile and worth the outlay for them. We all have different needs.

 

What I do know is that those that have upgraded to Skylake from 2500K and reported about it on the forum, seem to be VERY pleased with their upgrades.

Martin did a fast RogRealbench , just a avrage retail 7700k not god not bad .

Cooling Noctua ND15 , gpu a old 290X.

 

My very good delidded 6700k clocking higher

The Ipc is equal , in CB15 single multicore at 5.0ghz get exact same result .

I run it on the same MoBo (z170) same mems and OS.

 

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54475361/OBT/5ghz-Noctua.png

Thank you westman! I will be testing a 7700K soon comparing with my 6700K. I had a quite bad (or average) silicon 6700K overclocking max at 4.6 Ghz at 1.41v, so I'm hoping to get the 7700K higher at lower voltage. These 1-2 fps seem to make the small jump from 28 to 30 fps worth it for me due to the smoothness in a 30 Hz monitor.

You can hope for 5.2ghz 1.4v or less with water cooling , temps approx 85c not delidd.

Think that is a avarge or slightly better not Golden if you find one that do 5.4 1.4v Its pretty good.

Avarge the 7700k is approx +400mhz better then Skylake 6700k

 

Offtopic the Z170 works very good with KabyLake , tested some new Asus bios 3201 for M8E the mem OC was way better +200mhz 4000mhz c15 1.375v both on Skylake and KabyLake.

 

Hope to have a IX Apex in the end of this week.

You can hope for 5.2ghz 1.4v or less with water cooling , temps approx 85c not delidd.

Think that is a avarge or slightly better not Golden if you find one that do 5.4 1.4v Its pretty good.

Avarge the 7700k is approx +400mhz better then Skylake 6700k

 

Offtopic the Z170 works very good with KabyLake , tested some new Asus bios 3201 for M8E the mem OC was way better +200mhz 4000mhz c15 1.375v both on Skylake and KabyLake.

 

Hope to have a IX Apex in the end of this week.

 

 

Thanks Hasse.

 

It's my birthday today, 59. I have a bit of money to spend plus a bit from Christmas.

 

I'm trying to make up my mind weather to grap a Kaby Lake and give my 6700K to my daughter. I'm building her a Mini ITX system when I can get the parts together. It would help her so I may do it, not sure.

 

Hope to have a IX Apex in the end of this week. 

 

 

 

It will be interesting to see what your results are like, compared to Z170.

What I do know is that those that have upgraded to Skylake from 2500K and reported about it on the forum, seem to be VERY pleased with their upgrades.

 

 

True.  I recently went from a 2500k at 4.6 with DDR3 1600 to a 6600k at 4.6 with DDR4 3200.  I do not have any hard numbers or test results but anecdotally, it appears my frames have increased about 30-40% in an average situation.

Thanks Greg. Well there you go. Chris should find that interesting.

True.  I recently went from a 2500k at 4.6 with DDR3 1600 to a 6600k at 4.6 with DDR4 3200.  I do not have any hard numbers or test results but anecdotally, it appears my frames have increased about 30-40% in an average situation.

 

Very encouraging to hear this.

 

My 7700k parts are coming in today. The biggest moment of truth is to see how well my piece of 7700k may overclock. Fingers crossed on winning a silicon lottery again... 

I'm pretty much convinced that I'm going to go with a 6700k and work at a good overclock when I upgrade late this month, only reason being I don't want the hassle of upgrading to windows 10. However, I could be swayed by reports of consistent, exceptionally better overclocking here

I'm pretty much convinced that I'm going to go with a 6700k and work at a good overclock when I upgrade late this month, only reason being I don't want the hassle of upgrading to windows 10. However, I could be swayed by reports of consistent, exceptionally better overclocking here

I run win7 on both 6700k and 7700k , you can go with a Z170 or Z270 for the CPUs

No difference in performance with the Z170 you miss some new features that Z270 have.

The Avx downclock function works in Z170 as on the Z270

 

Install W7 on Z170 is no difference 6700k or 7700k no reason to go for a 6700k if you want W7.

Just put together my 7700. A quick test show I probably run out of luck with silicone lottery:mine can only do 4.8 to 4.9 GHz most likely. Chance to be over 5GHz is very very slim...

 

Will install XP11 tomorrow and see how well it runs.

I run win7 on both 6700k and 7700k , you can go with a Z170 or Z270 for the CPUs

No difference in performance with the Z170 you miss some new features that Z270 have.

The Avx downclock function works in Z170 as on the Z270

 

Install W7 on Z170 is no difference 6700k or 7700k no reason to go for a 6700k if you want W7.

Helpful, Thank you

 

Gordon

 

 

mine can only do 4.8 to 4.9 GHz most likely

 

Which seems to mean that you can get it to 4.8 rather easily but 4.9 is pushing it too much already...?

Screen with the settings i run , Win7pro Z170 7700k

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54475361/OBT/7700k-w7.png

Just put together my 7700. A quick test show I probably run out of luck with silicone lottery:mine can only do 4.8 to 4.9 GHz most likely. Chance to be over 5GHz is very very slim...

 

Will install XP11 tomorrow and see how well it runs.

 

 

 

What kind of cooling? What was the voltage? What was the temperature?

Accidentally ordered an OEM version istead of retail. Any info from you serious overclockers about OEM quality? Would you advice a return for a retail version or go for it? Guarantee is 1 year instead of 3 though I never had an issue with failed CPU.