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Can PMDG release printable FCOM & QRH for the new Queen? 

 

I remember that PMDG provided printable FCOM & QRH for NGX & 777X. I would be nice if the same thing can also be provided for the Queen. 

 

Thanks. 

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They are just PDF files that can be easily printed.  Look in your PMDG folder under 747 for flight manuals folder.  Should have been installed automatically.

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They are just PDF files that can be easily printed.  Look in your PMDG folder under 747 for flight manuals folder.  Should have been installed automatically.

I have experience with 777X and NGX before so I know where to find them.

 

It's just that the ones provided right now are not printable because they are official manuals directly from Boeing instead of PMDG custom-made ones.

The official ones are password protected and cannot be printed or even copied, while PMDG custom ones in the cases of NGX and 777 can be printed because they removed the protection. 

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Both the 777 and the 747 have secured pdf files, unprintable.  The reason is simple, the information is licensed by Boeing to PMDG for distribution with the product only. No other distribution is allowed.

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Both the 777 and the 747 have secured pdf files, unprintable.  The reason is simple, the information is licensed by Boeing to PMDG for distribution with the product only. No other distribution is allowed.

I may have made a mistake on the 777 documents, but a physical copy of PMDG 737NGX FCOM, printed by myself, is still sitting on my shelf.. So I still do not get why the same thing is not allow on the 747.... 

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Different license with Boeing.

 

Let me put it this way..., PMDG could have reached a commercial agree with Boeing to let you print their FCOM but you couldn't afford it.

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Different license with Boeing.

 

Let me put it this way..., PMDG could have reached a commercial agree with Boeing to let you print their FCOM but you couldn't afford it.

 

I totally understand what you are saying but I still think the unavailability of printable manuals on 747, considering that it is much more expensive than NGX (very worthy though), is a little disappointing. 

I would love to hear from PMDG themselves regarding their decision on this matter. 

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My solution for that problem is that I copied the files to my Dropbox then added them to MyBooks in my iPad. It works great and it also saves you in wasting paper and ink in your printer.

 

Just my two cents! :-)

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I totally understand what you are saying but I still think the unavailability of printable manuals on 747, considering that it is much more expensive than NGX (very worthy though), is a little disappointing. 

I would love to hear from PMDG themselves regarding their decision on this matter.

 

I don't think you understand what Dan said. IF, that is IF, Boeing did let PMDG distribute printable copies, the final cost of the product would likely go through the roof. It seems to be all about licensing, and couldyou imagine the uproar if theproduct cost 2x, 3x or 10x its current price?

 

However, I may be wrong and there may be other factors at play.

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I don't think you understand what Dan said. IF, that is IF, Boeing did let PMDG distribute printable copies, the final cost of the product would likely go through the roof. It seems to be all about licensing, and couldyou imagine the uproar if theproduct cost 2x, 3x or 10x its current price?

 

However, I may be wrong and there may be other factors at play.

All of my opinions on this matter is all based on the fact that NGX had printable copies (with PMDG logos on it in fact), so that the possibility of having an actual uproar in price just because of printable copies is just not that realistic. 

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Hello,

 

it's not up to PMDG to make a decicion on that I think.

 

Page 2 of the FCOM (Boeing, forgive me to copy this sentence):

 

"The right to reproduce, destribute, display, and make derivative works from this document, or any portion thereof, requires a license from Boeing."

 

Well, printing it would require a license, simple as that.. Copyright laws are... weird.

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But if, in the future, you ever find yourself in a situation where you do have the rights to print a PDF but the copy you have has restrictions enabled, a Google search along the lines of "remove print restriction from PDF" might help you out.

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But if, in the future, you ever find yourself in a situation where you do have the rights to print a PDF but the copy you have has restrictions enabled, a Google search along the lines of "remove print restriction from PDF" might help you out.

This kind of disregard for copyright laws will get you banned from the forum. Be careful.

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Thanks for those helpful forum members that pointed out alternative ways to print the document. I will consider those options using my own judgement. 

 

Again, I stress that I am little disappointed on this matter, as there has been past cases (NGX) where users are allowed to print the manuals (don't know if it was legal but at least PMDG did give the permission to print on the PDF), which rules out the cost of licensing as an obstacle IMO. 

 

Since this is really a minor issue on an amazing airplane, I will rest my case and go fly that magnificent piece of machine on a short haul again. Meanwhile, I would still love to hear PMDG official response on this matter. 

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Yes, I wanted to print the checklists/procedures from the FCOM in order to meticulously learn the aircraft and take the startup and flight step by step. I do have the FCOM on my iPad but a printed copy where I could make notes would be nice. Oh well, I understand. BTW, what an outstanding product!

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Thanks for those helpful forum members that pointed out alternative ways to print the document. I will consider those options using my own judgement.

 

Again, I stress that I am little disappointed on this matter, as there has been past cases (NGX) where users are allowed to print the manuals (don't know if it was legal but at least PMDG did give the permission to print on the PDF), which rules out the cost of licensing as an obstacle IMO.

 

Since this is really a minor issue on an amazing airplane, I will rest my case and go fly that magnificent piece of machine on a short haul again. Meanwhile, I would still love to hear PMDG official response on this matter.

 

First off - The 737 manuals ARE NOT the 747 manuals. They are two separate cases. So stop comparing the two.

 

Secondly - it is possible pmdg bought a license to be able to distribute via print, in the case of 737... so instead of costing for example $2 for electronic distribution ONLY with the product, it costed $4 for electronic distribution PLUS the ability to print.

PMDG might've reviewed this cost of $4 as too much for the benefit, and so, canned the ability to keep costs down for themselves and more than likely, the consumer (you).

 

Thirdly - tell me... other than pmdg, what Boeing or Airbus simulator has EVER given you the flight manuals? None. That's how many.

 

You are entitled only that for which you have paid. No more, no less. Your expectations are ignorant to the commercial complexities relating to these technical publications. Airlines pay thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, possibly millions for these manuals... HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY FOR THEM? Not as much as an airline, that's for sure.

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First off - The 737 manuals ARE NOT the 747 manuals. They are two separate cases. So stop comparing the two.

 

Secondly - it is possible pmdg bought a license to be able to distribute via print, in the case of 737... so instead of costing for example $2 for electronic distribution ONLY with the product, it costed $4 for electronic distribution PLUS the ability to print.

PMDG might've reviewed this cost of $4 as too much for the benefit, and so, canned the ability to keep costs down for themselves and more than likely, the consumer (you).

 

Thirdly - tell me... other than pmdg, what Boeing or Airbus simulator has EVER given you the flight manuals? None. That's how many.

 

You are entitled only that for which you have paid. No more, no less. Your expectations are ignorant to the commercial complexities relating to these technical publications. Airlines pay thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, possibly millions for these manuals... HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY FOR THEM? Not as much as an airline, that's for sure.

 

As I have implied many times in this thread, I fully understand the extra cost that might incur as a result of printing rights.

 

My comparison is simply not ignorant because NGX and 747 V3 are: 

  • Made by the same company i.e. PMDG
  • Licensed by the same manufacturer, i.e. Boeing
  • Priced adequately at their respective level of details and complexity

This is why I cannot work out as to why 747 V3 users are not entitled to the same privilege that is entitled to NGX users. 

 

Airlines pay thousands because Boeing is liable for providing correct, up-to-date documentations and timely supports as they are instrumental to flight safety and lives of millions, which is not the case for licensing flight sim manuals. 

 

Again, I would love to hear from PMDG directly as I'm sure they had their reasons, though I am still a bit critical of it. 

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Again, I would love to hear from PMDG directly as I'm sure they had their reasons, though I am still a bit critical of it.

 

Sure  they will answer soon but  if  you do   search they already stated  their  reasoning   behind  not  being  able  to print  the pdf










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i imagine that the Boeing License that was in the beginning 10000 usd is no more on the same level and also our world evolved since 2001 ....

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i imagine that the Boeing License that was in the beginning 10000 usd is no more on the same level and also our world evolved since 2001 ....

NGX is released in 2011 mate... 

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NGX is released in 2011 mate... 

did you read about the cost of the license. make yourself a favor and contact yourself BOCO license office and see how much they charge... cant wait to read your answer ... btw im not your mate ...   

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did you read about the cost of the license. make yourself a favor and contact yourself BOCO license office and see how much they charge... cant wait to read your answer ... btw im not your mate ...   

 

 

Chill out 'Mate'  :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jonathan Ryans

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did you read about the cost of the license. make yourself a favor and contact yourself BOCO license office and see how much they charge... cant wait to read your answer ... btw im not your mate ...

 

1. Licenses sold to airlines are vastly different from the type of license applied to PMDG simply because Boeing is not liable for the accuracy and currency of the manual for this recreational product.

2. I am sure that the exact licensing cost is confidential, but it is a reasonable assumption that it's at a similar proportion as the NGX (RELEASED IN 2011, i.e. merely six years ago).

3. Sorry for calling you "mate". I meant it to be a friendly gesture and clearly you saw something different in it.

 

Cheers,

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2. I am sure that the exact licensing cost is confidential, but it is a reasonable assumption that it's at a similar proportion as the NGX (RELEASED IN 2011, i.e. merely six years ago).

 

Why is it a reasonable assumption? Unless you have some kind of insight into the contractual arrangement between the parties, you can't possibly know what was agreed to. I used to have unlimited data with Verizon, now I don't. Contracts change.

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Why is it a reasonable assumption? Unless you have some kind of insight into the contractual arrangement between the parties, you can't possibly know what was agreed to. I used to have unlimited data with Verizon, now I don't. Contracts change.

If I have insight into their actual arrangement, I would not need any assumption anymore!

I would also love for PMDG to provide some insights on this matter.

 

But again, you may have a point. Your current president does like changing previous contracts like visas, green cards, and deals with Australia, but I do hope that PMDG won't hang up on me just because I asked about it :P

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