Ray Proudfoot

Swapping 780GTX for 1080 - decent boost in FSX?

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A good friend is upgrading his 3 month old 1080 for the 1080Ti and has offered me the 1080 for a price agreeable to both of us.

My 780 GTX still satisfies me but a few extra fps would be handy at places like Heathrow etc. My computer is overclocked and has an Intel i7 4770K overclocked to 4.4GHz. I have 8Gb RAM running FSX:SP2 on Windows 7 64-bit.

Given the new card is 3 generations removed from my 780 can I expect a decent improvement running on a 32" Sony TV at 1920x1080? One monitor only.

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I have a similar system, and would like to hear your findings..

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I was hoping you were going to tell me Bert! :biggrin: I'm visiting him on Tuesday and will collect it then. Should have it installed Wednesday all being well.

One other question. Is it a good idea to uninstall the drivers before swapping them and then download and install the new ones? Seems the right thing to do.

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10 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

One other question. Is it a good idea to uninstall the drivers before swapping them and then download and install the new ones? Seems the right thing to do.

100% yes, do this.  you could arguably download them ahead of time, but yes...absolutely uninstall your GPU drivers before shutting the system down to remove and replace with new card.

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Display Driver Uninstaller is very easy to use, and offers a thorough cleaning of the system when changing video drivers/video card.

Download DDU here: http://www.wagnardsoft.com/

Looking forward to your card update report!

Greg

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Thanks for the advice Greg. I'll setup a few scenarios for fps tests and run them before and after. Expect results in 7 days or less.

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I'm seconding Bert's comment. I'm still on a 780gtx also! The good thing about the 1080 vs. the 1080 Ti is you can still use the 376.33 drivers that don't have the VAS leak.

Ted

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I upgraded a 780 to 1070 (lesser card).  The biggest noticeable boost in performance was for clouds, which for me is a big deal.   My 1070 laughs when confronted with layers of dense cloud cover:  no FPS drop, nor stutters, using 4x GSSSAA with DX10 fixer, ASN and REX soft clouds on a single 2560x1440 display.  Running a 4.5Ghz 4770k with fast DDR3.  Enjoy that 1080, good call IMO.

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Hi,
FYI I upgraded from GTX 1060 to GTX 1080. For FSX:SE, I only see a slight difference. However when changing to P3D, huge huge difference.
Cheers,
Hoang Le

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Thanks Hoang. Can you describe "huge huge difference"? Increased fps? If so, by how much assuming you ran tests before you changed.

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On 4/8/2017 at 1:12 AM, Ray Proudfoot said:

Thanks Hoang. Can you describe "huge huge difference"? Increased fps? If so, by how much assuming you ran tests before you changed.

Sorry I did not test GTX 1060 that much in P3D because I only use it for my initial setup before changing to GTX 1080.  I wanted to stable my video card drivers and settings before changing the settings in P3D.

However, I had a very detail test in FSX:SE. As much as I hate to admit, GTX 1080 did not boost my FPS at all, the only thing I can find is less stutter when panning around and when the simulator loads airport/sceneries as I fly along. GPU load in both of the cards were only around 20%,sometimes 30%. The simulator does not use GPU that much. Not worth the upgrade.

On the other hand, I noticed a big boost in performance/smoothness in P3D. My FPS with GTX 1080 using PMDG/FSLabs in VC view always above 30 except heavy airports (Uk2000 EGLL,Flytampa EHAM) where it sometimes goes down to 25 and when heavy clouds(maximum cloud layers, multi layer TS clouds in AS16) where it goes down to 20 , but the smoothness is still there, no stutter at all. When monitoring the GPU load, P3D always use more than 50%, lots of time 99%.

Overall I am happy with the upgrade, but the most important is changing to P3D where GTX 1080 shines.

I should have moved to P3D earlier.

Cheers,
Hoang Le

 

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Thanks for that reply Hoang, very interesting. As I fly FSX:SP2 and mainly FS Labs' Concorde-X it sounds like fps may not change significantly but smoothness may improve.

But of course I'm upgrading from a card much older than your 1060 so perhaps I will see more benefit. I know P3D makes more use of the GPU than FSX and it is my long-term plan to switch to P3D but only when it's 64-bit and (hopefully) FSL have modified Concorde to work with that version.

I wouldn't normally have changed the 780 but the offer of a discounted 1080 was too good to turn down. :smile:

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4 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Thanks for that reply Hoang, very interesting. As I fly FSX:SP2 and mainly FS Labs' Concorde-X it sounds like fps may not change significantly but smoothness may improve.

But of course I'm upgrading from a card much older than your 1060 so perhaps I will see more benefit. I know P3D makes more use of the GPU than FSX and it is my long-term plan to switch to P3D but only when it's 64-bit and (hopefully) FSL have modified Concorde to work with that version.

I wouldn't normally have changed the 780 but the offer of a discounted 1080 was too good to turn down. :smile:

You're welcome! Glad you have a good offer for the GTX 1080, I bought mine at pretty reasonable price due to 1080Ti.

I was thinking the same, to wait for P3D until 64bit. However recently I get tired of my FSX setup where I have a very good computer but the simulator still having poor performance. After spending thousand of dollars into a computer, I want to get more from it, so I give P3D a try.

I didn't know FSL haven't update their Concorde to be P3D compatible, they should have done it by now?

Cheers,
Hoang Le

 

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They provided a P3D version last year. They have to do updates with it as LM sometimes change things that cause some things to 'break'.

But the VAS usage has been reduced by around 400-500Mb so it's possible to fly from EGLL to KJFK with 3rd party airports and not run out of VAS.

I'm probably going to get DX10Fixer as that improves things a lot with FSX as well as adding those nice cockpit shadows.

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I've installed the Nvidia 1080 8Gb card. Before I did so I setup a test scenario overlooking Aerosoft's Heathrow Xtended from above T5 looking east so the whole airport is in view with London in the distance.

One scenario was clear skies; another with four cloud layers - 3/8 Cumulus, 5/8 Cumulus, 7/8 Stratus and 2/8 Cirrus.

Testing both with my 780 GTX 3Gb card using the Trike had frame rates between 30-34. The same but with the cloud was hardly any different.

You can probably guess what's coming next. The same scenarios with the 1080 8Gb card produce the same results. This is with FSX:SP2 of course. Were I to test with P3D I'm sure the faster card would give me better performance. I intend to switch to P3D but unsure when to jump. Another option is to stay with FSX and invest in DX10Fixer. I've heard good things about it. Reduced VAS usage, cockpit shadows and maybe a few more fps.

So I'm thinking this card is more of a long-term investment than an instant fps boost. FSX is CPU-bound. I knew it of course and this is the proof.

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Thanks for the concise report, Ray.  Having done somewhat the same on my system some time ago (770 -> 970) and not seeing a lot of improvement (like you), I'm nevertheless glad for my upgrade.  The 970 clearly performs better in heavy cloud and other scenery intense draws than my 770, and I hope in time you'll experience the same with your 1080 as you encounter different flight scenarios.  And I'll heavily recommend the DX10 Fixer (and add the Cloud Shadows too!!!).  It truly is a game changer for FSX.

Regards,

Greg

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I really am at a crossroads Greg and I'm seriously considering my options. P3D has stabilised and will only get better especially when they go 64-bit.

I could stay with FSX but get no real benefit from the 1080. DX10 Fixer doesn't need a 1080. But the upside is I can continue to use my AES credits. I have a lot of airports but many also include a P3D version so I wouldn't lose much there.

That leaves aircraft. I fly FS Labs' Concorde almost exclusively now. As a former beta tester I also have a licence for P3D so that wouldn't cost me anything. The main outlay would be $65 for P3D and around £150 for a 256Gb SSD for P3D.

Then I get DX11 in full plus a FS engine that can use the power of the 1080. P3D v3 now recommends 4Gb graphics memory whereas FSX seems to chug along quite happily with around half that or even less. And FSX is now 11 years old. Maybe it's time to make the switch.

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Your perspectives are well thought out Ray.  It wouldn't cost you much to go to P3D now and then see what a 64 bit version has to offer... none of my licenses include P3D, so I'll be giving the jump much more consideration than you require.

Regarding the 1080, I think it all comes down to what you paid for it.  The card is clearly outstanding, and as well offers "room" for system growth.  It also offers you greater latitude for other sims (not saying you should jump, but at least you'll know the GPU offers strong rendering power).

Following your thread here and knowing that the release of the 1080TI means more used 1080's being available, I've decided to keep my eye out for the latter.  Of course, I don't expect much (if any) of a performance boost but if I can get one at a good price I'll certainly gain flexibility in the short term future.

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No Crossroads Ray. Just another lane on the expressway. I have FSX, P3Dv2, and P3dv3 all installed on my computer. FSX for planes I still like to fly that are only offered for FSX. P3dv2 for Orbx and GA planes. P3Dv3 for GEX/UTX, all my non ORBX payware airports, and my airliners. It's working well for me.

When P3dv4 comes out if is going to be awhile before your addons are converted to it and some may not be.

When I get some time I will run the same tests you did on my 3 sims and see if there is any difference. My understanding is as Greg stated that the 1080 should help with heavy/multiple cloud layers and high AA settings. Have your tried increasing SGSS to see how your 1080 handles that?

Ted

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4 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I've installed the Nvidia 1080 8Gb card. Before I did so I setup a test scenario overlooking Aerosoft's Heathrow Xtended from above T5 looking east so the whole airport is in view with London in the distance.

One scenario was clear skies; another with four cloud layers - 3/8 Cumulus, 5/8 Cumulus, 7/8 Stratus and 2/8 Cirrus.

Testing both with my 780 GTX 3Gb card using the Trike had frame rates between 30-34. The same but with the cloud was hardly any different.

You can probably guess what's coming next. The same scenarios with the 1080 8Gb card produce the same results. This is with FSX:SP2 of course. Were I to test with P3D I'm sure the faster card would give me better performance. I intend to switch to P3D but unsure when to jump. Another option is to stay with FSX and invest in DX10Fixer. I've heard good things about it. Reduced VAS usage, cockpit shadows and maybe a few more fps.

So I'm thinking this card is more of a long-term investment than an instant fps boost. FSX is CPU-bound. I knew it of course and this is the proof.

Just as expected, FSX doesn't care much about your graphic card, poor  your GTX 1080.
Anyway, I suggest you give P3D a try now, here is my topic over at FSX forum about my change to P3D

I was hesitated and did not try P3D when I needed to, which cost me some investment (DX10Fixer,Cloud, PMDGs). For my system, using DX10 still gives me poor performance overall.

P3D is refundable, it is a better choice to go for it now and see how it performs on your computer. My computer is in my signature and if your is similar to mine, you should expect very good performance.

AES is also one of the only thing I miss when moving to FSX:SE and now P3D. Lucky that many developers are implementing SODE jetways into their airports now.

Cheers,
Hoang Le

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lowslo, I paid £300 less than a new one cost. Good for my mate and for me. I'm a little concerned that fps in P3D may be lower than FSX. How much is unknown. It's all well and good having a great graphics card but my mobo is 3.5 years old as is the CPU - 4770K o/c to 4.4Ghz. Decent enough but not up to today's fastest. But sticking with an 11 year-old sim that will never be updated is not a long-term solution. I made the switch from FS9 to FSX 3.5 years ago and never missed FS9 once I had a PC that made FSX a pleasure.

Ted, unlike you I have no other 3rd party aircraft. No PMDG and just FSL Concorde. So VFR is out. The only thing FSX gives me that P3D can't is a few older airports and AES which has stagnated anyway.

I have FS Global which I think will work with P3D. FTX Global will too I think. UTX Europe, Caribbean and North America I'm not sure about. They may work or maybe I'll need P3D versions. Airports I've covered. Real Environment Xtreme (REX) doesn't appear to be available any more. Is that P3D compatible?

I'd have to buy a AS16 licence but that's not much. If I get P3D there doesn't seem to be much point staying with FSX. I think it would look a little dated once I started using P3D.

I'll try different settings of SGSS and see what results.

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1 minute ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

lowslo, I paid £300 less than a new one cost. Good for my mate and for me. I'm a little concerned that fps in P3D may be lower than FSX. How much is unknown. It's all well and good having a great graphics card but my mobo is 3.5 years old as is the CPU - 4770K o/c to 4.4Ghz. Decent enough but not up to today's fastest. But sticking with an 11 year-old sim that will never be updated is not a long-term solution. I made the switch from FS9 to FSX 3.5 years ago and never missed FS9 once I had a PC that made FSX a pleasure.

Ted, unlike you I have no other 3rd party aircraft. No PMDG and just FSL Concorde. So VFR is out. The only thing FSX gives me that P3D can't is a few older airports and AES which has stagnated anyway.

I have FS Global which I think will work with P3D. FTX Global will too I think. UTX Europe, Caribbean and North America I'm not sure about. They may work or maybe I'll need P3D versions. Airports I've covered. Real Environment Xtreme (REX) doesn't appear to be available any more. Is that P3D compatible?

I'd have to buy a AS16 licence but that's not much. If I get P3D there doesn't seem to be much point staying with FSX. I think it would look a little dated once I started using P3D.

Just a head up, it's 40% off for more than 2 weeks so you have plenty of time to test.

Cheers

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Thanks Hoang. Interesting read. There's very little difference between our CPUs so I should expect similar performance.

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Please ignore. Got out of sequence with posts and just repeated some of the useful info!

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Even changing from a 970 to a 1080 gave me a HUGE boost in P3d (I run it in 4K).

 

At the moment I am sitting here with my Intel HD 530 (of whatever) because I sold the 1080 and I am waiting for the 1080 ti which I ordered :-(

So - no flying for me this weekend I guess.

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