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Looking for GA planes that work correctly in XP11

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Looking for some good GA planes that work correctly in XP11.  The Autopilot must work correctly.  I found too many weird things with the included Baron and King Air.

Your recommendation could be either pay or freeware, GA twin or single.

Thank You.

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Aerobask's Pipestral Panthera...comes highly recommended, flies like a dream, looks beautiful and the GTN750 is a must have (included with the aircraft, I might add).

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We'll all have our favorites, but here are mine that I've been using in XP11*, all payware:

Carenado Pilatus PC-12
Carenado Aero Commander 500S
Carenado Cessna C208B Caravan
RWDesigns DHC-6 Twin Otter
STMA Beech 18

Helicopters:

X-Trident Bell 412
DreamFoil Bell 407
ND BK-117

*Note that all of these are XP10 models, and have not been officially updated to XP11 yet. With the new flight model and engine model changes in XP11, they may not fly "by the numbers" the way they did in XP10, but I haven't noticed any major problems in the final release. All autopilots and GPS work as designed for each model. 

These models will eventually be updated to XP11 versions, either free or paid depending on the degree of enhancement with new, XP11-specific features.

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Not exactly GA, but so far I know the Aerosoft CRJ-200 works in X-Plane 11 if you were after a small jet airliner (actually says so on the Aerosoft site, even though it was an X-Plane 10 bird originally when I bought it), the Khamsin Boeing B-17G works in 11 too, even though officially it's XP10.

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The one suggestion I'd make, without making any recommendations, is to keep an eye on the front page at the .org store. Quite often a major update to an existing product results in the product showing up on the front page; checking the description / requirements will then show if it's been updated for XP11.

Pretty much everyone is rushing to update for XP11 at this point, and there's some really good compatible choices.

Also, the occasional freeware has been updated as well - I noticed that a XP11 version of DDenn's Republic SeaBee has just been released at the .org today, I'll be checking that one out tonight I think.

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I like AirFoilLabs 172 before they lock ability to fly it in XP11 beta. I think it's closest to real thing 172 I ever tried (sorry A2A)

I haven't tried any Carenado airplanes, because I still can't overcome over my personal bias toward their products (back in P3D) I flown dozen of Carenado counterpart in real life and other than great visual there was nothing more there to discover (again in P3D).

 I haven't spend much time with Aerobask's Pipestral Panthera, but for me it's ok airplane not too bad not too good. Although much batter than other mainstream X-plane GA.

I'm fixed wing pilot, but from what I understand DreamFoil Bell 407 is the best helicopter representation ever. Really enjoy flying in it.

 

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Just now, sd_flyer said:

I haven't tried any Carenado airplanes, because I still can't overcome over my personal bias toward their products (back in P3D) I flown dozen of Carenado counterpart in real life and other than great visual there was nothing more there to discover (again in P3D).

 I haven't spend much time with Aerobask's Pipestral Panthera, but for me it's ok airplane not too bad not too good. Although much batter than other mainstream X-plane GA.

I'm fixed wing pilot, but from what I understand DreamFoil Bell 407 is the best helicopter representation ever. Really enjoy flying in it.

 

The Carenado / Alabeo products are only visually similar in X-Plane; functionally, they are very polished and quite well done. Some of the early ports even have features such as working circuit breakers. By skipping them, you may be missing out somewhat. The only ones I'm not a fan of in X-Plane are the G1000 equipped models. As much as I appreciate the effort they made, the more recent Dynon Skyview glass that Aerobask has developed has, in my opinion, seriously upped the bar on what I expect from a PFD/MFD.

Speaking of, are you talking about the new release of the Pipestral? Because I personally have a hard time finding anything wrong with that aircraft at all, and have yet to hear anything but good things from anyone else either... it's the first time I've heard anyone say 'not too good' in the same breath, that's for sure.

Helicopters in XP11 seem to have some problems still, and are yet to be as polished & stable as they were in XP11, the Bell 407 included. For an overview, look through a few of the XP11 threads in the Dreamfoil subforum on the .org. LR has been notified of the bugs, but until they get fixed, it really sounds like XP10 is the better helicopter platform.

 

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Lots of great comments and suggestions here.  Thanks.  Appreciate more suggestions ... there is really no right and wrong answer.  I absorb everything and go from there.  :biggrin:

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1 minute ago, PDX Flyer said:

Lots of great comments and suggestions here.  Thanks.  Appreciate more suggestions ... there is really no right and wrong answer.  I absorb everything and go from there.  :biggrin:

It would help if you gave some more information about your expectations or what you liked in other sims. Also, many GA aircraft use the default autopilot, so it would be good to know which issues you had with it.

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1 hour ago, MarioDonick said:

It would help if you gave some more information about your expectations or what you liked in other sims. Also, many GA aircraft use the default autopilot, so it would be good to know which issues you had with it.

Fair enough question.  I am sort of all over the board on my answer.  About 90% of the time, I enjoy flying GA aircraft.   I like to use the GPS 530 to direct my plane to a certain airport.  I set the Autopilot on 'NAV' and also set a desired altitude.  This allows me to enjoy the scenery and compose and take screenshots.

Then the is the other 10% of me that enjoys flying the tubeliners and really getting in deep to programming the FMS and hoping that the plane can "land itself".

ps:  I was having trouble making the autopilot on the delivered Baron and King Air C90 direct to a certain altitude.  I googled this and others have had this problem also?

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I'd like to add my vote to the X-Trident Bell 412.

They released a version for X-Plane 11 just a little bit ago. I think it's my favorite helicopter, period. The best implementation of force trim outside of DCS. Just very nice to operate. Looks nice too.

Yeah, Dreamfoil helicopter are not working in X-Plane 11 yet.

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2 hours ago, Jimmy RFR said:

 

Speaking of, are you talking about the new release of the Pipestral? Because I personally have a hard time finding anything wrong with that aircraft at all, and have yet to hear anything but good things from anyone else either... it's the first time I've heard anyone say 'not too good' in the same breath, that's for sure.

 

 

 It depends what do you look for. As I mentioned I did't put many hours in it, but I tried few slow flight, accelerated stalls, spins and etc similar to that

 

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Impressive video. Is everyone a test pilot or are they just well lubricated observers? ;)

 

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vFlyteAir Piper Cherokee PA140 Glass Cockpit and their AA-5B.

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5 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

 It depends what do you look for. As I mentioned I did't put many hours in it, but I tried few slow flight, accelerated stalls, spins and etc similar to that

Well, I do see your point there... Not all of us look for all of that of course. Apart from 'unintentional' spins in various military jets (in FSX), it's not something I really go out of my way to experience. I would like to be convinced that the normal flying characteristics are correct; I would rather that be the case than having the knowledge that it's capable of spins. Not that it makes me 'right' any more than you, we each have our own priorities.

It's also worth noting that I believe you set a pretty high standard there; your acceptable selection in X-Plane must be pretty slim if spins are what you're looking for... And looking past X-Plane, there's some very well-regarded aircraft in FSX from the best FDE authors that don't manage to achieve all of what you've noted.

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jt8d9a, I agree!!

http://www.vflyteair.com/

Check them out. I have all three Cherokees and they are updated with XP11 textures that use PBR. Excellent details and models. Flys very well and you have to start them correctly, you can't just press the starter button. You must lean and use carb heat correctly too when icing.  Very well done. I'm a huge fan and they are now steady extracting more money from me!

Chris

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11 hours ago, Jimmy RFR said:

Well, I do see your point there... Not all of us look for all of that of course. Apart from 'unintentional' spins in various military jets (in FSX), it's not something I really go out of my way to experience. I would like to be convinced that the normal flying characteristics are correct; I would rather that be the case than having the knowledge that it's capable of spins. Not that it makes me 'right' any more than you, we each have our own priorities.

It's also worth noting that I believe you set a pretty high standard there; your acceptable selection in X-Plane must be pretty slim if spins are what you're looking for... And looking past X-Plane, there's some very well-regarded aircraft in FSX from the best FDE authors that don't manage to achieve all of what you've noted.

OK, so I tested it with the same standards  (important to me) as AirFoilLabs, and find AirFoilLabs better reflecting  my understanding of aircraft behavior. Feel free to disagree of course

Any airplane I approached in real life start with very basic slow flights and stalls (in some occasion spins). I apply same standards adjusted to the sim limitation. This is normal characteristics for me.

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After reading your suggestions, I have come to the conclusion that there can be many good answers to my question about GA planes in X-Plane11.  I ended up buying the Carenado 206H and Navajo.  I am enjoying both planes. 

After many many years of FSX and P3D, I am taking the plunge into XP11.  Today I am downloading and installing XP Mesh.  Then I will install and download some ortho4xp.  I am very excited to see what my virtual world looks like after that.  Then I will have to make a decision of going further with XP11 or waiting for P3Dv4.  I think after all these years of flying in the 32 bit world, that it is time to spread my 64 bit wings.

Thanks for all of your comments.  I find these forums most helpful.

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33 minutes ago, PDX Flyer said:

Today I am downloading and installing XP Mesh.

Maybe wait with that. It will get an update for XP 11 later this year. It also does not include the new building heights for the autogen, therefore cities might actually look worse than with XP11's default mesh.

Be also aware that you can either use HD Mesh or Ortho4XP-generated scenery, but not both at the same time. Technically, both are mesh (one has just photo textures attached), and X-Plane can only display one of them at the same time.

Finally, if you're flying mainly in the US, keep an eye on the US Orthophotos project:

http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/36327-us-orthophotos/

It provides pre-made Ortho4XP scenery in great quality, so if you don't want to learn how to use and configure Ortho4XP, this is a great alternative. At the moment, the previous downloads have been removed, because the author recognized that not all of his source files were by the USGS, but he has found a 100% public domain alternative and is currently uploading the first bunch.

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