My impressions of V4 after watching AirDaily X

[Bobsk8 12,489]

4 minutes ago, A320wolf said:

Hi Bob!

Probably the "problem" (this is not the right word anyway) is that your post, in the end, gives an apparently "negative" idea of P3D v4 or, in other words, your thought/conclusion is that for you P3D V4 has nothing so new to make an update. Honestly I don't think so... there are lots of changes inside. For you these are useless, but this doesn't mean it's not a huge improvement and a great / first step into the future I hope 

Guys, anyone can have different opinions, so stay calm and happy flights 

Regards, Max

Ok let us talk about this and my remark a few posts above about reading comprehension on this forum. 

This is a copy and paste of the last paragraph in my post;  

"So I think at this point, I will stay with V 3.4, read the reviews and reports of V4, and see how the progress of porting the add ons into Version 4 progresses. If I was presently having issues with version 3.4, I would probably make the move being aware that I was going to possibly lose things that I liked in my present sim, but since I am not having any problems at all with 3.4, I see no rush to make the switch." 

Now where in that paragraph do you find where I gave a negative idea of P3D V4?  What I said was, is that for me ( here we go again- for me means, for Bob personally) I don't have a problem with V 3.4, so switching at this point has little benefit FOR ME!!!!!!

 

[TechguyMaxC 516]

27 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I wish people would read what I wrote instead of imagining what I wrote. Where did I say that 64 bit has no benefit. I said, for me ( do you understand what for me means) it offers very little as I don't have OOM problems. A real problem on this forum, is that some people seem to have very little skills in reading comprehension. So when they don't understand what a person is saying, they accuse the person of being a liar. That really ###### me off.  

Bob, the issue is that your experience differs from that of many, many people here.  That is not to say you are lying, or that your use-case is somehow invalid, but as human beings we all go by personal experience and when one's own experience is contradicted by another's, we tend to question their experience.  I don't have a poll to know what percentage of users are affected by VAS limitations and OOM errors, and I don't know that we could conduct such a poll in a scientific fashion even if we were to try, but going by the incredible volume of posts on the subject and the fact that there are many people posting in these topics it is logical to conclude there are a great many people affected by the issue.

If you include a disclaimer in your remarks about the subject along the lines of "I know OOMs are a big issue for many people, I'm thankful to not count myself among them but sympathize with their plight" I think you would reactions to your remarks to be very different.

[Bobsk8 12,489]

Just now, TechguyMaxC said:

Bob, the issue is that your experience differs from that of many, many people here.  That is not to say you are lying, or that your use-case is somehow invalid, but as human beings we all go by personal experience and when one's own experience is contradicted by another's, we tend to question their experience.  I don't have a poll to know what percentage of users are affected by VAS limitations and OOM errors, and I don't know that we could conduct such a poll in a scientific fashion even if we were to try, but going by the incredible volume of posts on the subject and the fact that there are many people posting in these topics it is logical to conclude there are a great many people affected by the issue.

Where in any of my posts since the day one, did I claim that people were not having a problem with OOMs? 

[mdelacruzperu 6]

Evolution is necessary and part of all growth, unfortunately will always leave some behind. The most important thing about this change, from 32 to 64 bits, is that a new world of possibilities opens up and we will really begin to exploit the maximum potential of our computers.

[TechguyMaxC 516]

Just now, Bobsk8 said:

Where in any of my posts since the day one, did I claim that people were not having a problem with OOMs? 

I tried to explain the matter to you in a manner intended to be helpful.  Your response within 30 seconds of my post tells me how much time you took to think about my remarks.  I'll refrain from addressing you in this fashion in the future.

[Paul_ 52]

Now now children  .... let's stop the squabbling in the playground ... How old are we? 

[anden145 2,273]

Easy, people... 

I don't really understand this discussion, to be honest. @Bobsk8 post and originals post, was clearly intended as his personal and subjective opinion on the upcoming Prepar3D V4 release. To be frank, I don't understand the need to constantly oppose and challange his views. He clearly stated (both in his original post and in later posts) that his view are personal and doesn't necessary shared by other people... I think it was clear from his posts and it was refreshing to see a person NOT stating his opinion as a fact - which is a tendency I see alot... 

Thanks @Bobsk8 for your views. Frankly, I agree with some of them. But in general good and interesting perspectives on the matter.

Sorry people, for going 'against the stream' here... but I think it needs to be said... 

[Bobsk8 12,489]

3 minutes ago, TechguyMaxC said:

I tried to explain the matter to you in a manner intended to be helpful.  Your response within 30 seconds of my post tells me how much time you took to think about my remarks.  I'll refrain from addressing you in this fashion in the future.

Yes , you are right, and I see your point. The thing that bothers me and I have seen this with other people making a statement about something, and are immediately challenged, insulted, etc, and when you read the comments about what they said, it becomes obvious that the person that is doing the criticizing didn't even understand what the person he was criticizing was saying. The entire point of my post, was about the big issue of OOMs was a none issue for me and always had been. I adjust my sliders for pretty good performance ( usually 30-40 fps average), and even though I use complex sceneries in FTX regions, I wouldn't even know what an OOM looks like. If I had OOMs, I would buy version 4 the day it was released.  

[A320wolf 27]

24 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Ok let us talk about this and my remark a few posts above about reading comprehension on this forum. 

This is a copy and paste of the last paragraph in my post;  

"So I think at this point, I will stay with V 3.4, read the reviews and reports of V4, and see how the progress of porting the add ons into Version 4 progresses. If I was presently having issues with version 3.4, I would probably make the move being aware that I was going to possibly lose things that I liked in my present sim, but since I am not having any problems at all with 3.4, I see no rush to make the switch." 

Now where in that paragraph do you find where I gave a negative idea of P3D V4?  What I said was, is that for me ( here we go again- for me means, for Bob personally) I don't have a problem with V 3.4, so switching at this point has little benefit FOR ME!!!!!!

 

Hey Bob

I've answered to your post with my thoughts, and with my last answer I've tried to explain why - probably - people have reacted in that way. I've nothing with your post. And if you read my answer I've written that the "idea" of your post not that you wrote the P3D V4 is negative!

Anyway my conclusion is that your post has nothing useful, and this why few people answered in that way, I suppose. Honestly I don't create a new post on AVSIM only to write that for me P3D V4 has no improvements vs my present P3D V3.4. What is the purpose of such a post ?

 

Your point n.2 says: "There were only a few changes in the program, that went along with 64 bit, but not very many. Flight physics were untouched, UI almost the same, some rain effects, and a few others. Nothing that jumped out at me, frankly."

The change to 64bit and that "few others" give new possibilities and improvements to 3rd party Developers. So for you V4 is nothing special, but P3D V4 is a great step forward! In your post you didn't write a positive/objective word, but only all reasons why for you is a no go. I respect this, but I don't think that V4 has only few changes.

Sorry for any misunderstanding.

Regards, Max

[TechguyMaxC 516]

20 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Yes , you are right, and I see your point. The thing that bothers me and I have seen this with other people making a statement about something, and are immediately challenged, insulted, etc, and when you read the comments about what they said, it becomes obvious that the person that is doing the criticizing didn't even understand what the person he was criticizing was saying. The entire point of my post, was about the big issue of OOMs was a none issue for me and always had been. I adjust my sliders for pretty good performance ( usually 30-40 fps average), and even though I use complex sceneries in FTX regions, I wouldn't even know what an OOM looks like. If I had OOMs, I would buy version 4 the day it was released.  

Fair enough, I withdraw my remark regarding not responding to you further.  Thank you for considering what I have said, and demonstrating that you understand the underlying issue.

Unfortunately the issue for you now, as it pertains to the public's perception of you in this matter, is more of an image problem than one of substance.  I edited my initial response to you in order to include a suggestion.  I don't believe this was present when you quoted me.  What do you think of the suggestion?

[Cruachan 705]

C'mon guys, lets all take a deeeeeep breath and try to move on. This is a significant moment in the development of our sim. Lets get behind it and encourage further progress by ringing those bells of congratulation and praise for a job well done!

We are all entitled to express an opinion and I think most of us know by now that before we have a chance to check out V4 on our own rigs we should be taking many declarations with a large pinch of salt. I know sometimes I too have been guilty of making somewhat biased statements which, I suspect, were motivated more by a desire to convince myself that I was protecting my investment in terms of time, money and effort. I can still do that, of course, simply by installing V4 alongside V3.4

It was refreshing to see a V4(late Beta) video from Rob where pretty extreme settings were in use principally to demonstrate what is now possible in V4 on the visual front. Quite clearly this was having a noticeable impact on performance, yet he had made no attempts to hide the frame rate which often dipped well below 30 and sometimes into the teens. To date all Rob's videos have been silky smooth and many of us have envied his ability to achieve such impressive results. However, we have to appreciate that this can only be achieved with appropriate hardware an/or judicious use of those in-sim settings. As with v3.x, V4 will be no different and similar caveats will apply.

I find, and perhaps not surprisingly, that I too am now looking forward to finding out what V4 (64bit) has to offer. To me, what is perhaps surprising and, to a degree, very reassuring is how familiar this new version appears to be. Also, and despite those dire predictions to the contrary, we are being told that it may not be too difficult to port many of our favourite addons over to this new version. Time will tell, of course, but these early signs are certainly very encouraging. Looks like LM have done a great job...again! May 30th looks like becoming another auspicious day in the development of Prepar3D.

Regards,

Mike

[gregmorin 199]

Well said Mike.

Greg

[ahsmatt7 1,199]

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Ok let us talk about this and my remark a few posts above about reading comprehension on this forum. 

This is a copy and paste of the last paragraph in my post;  

"So I think at this point, I will stay with V 3.4, read the reviews and reports of V4, and see how the progress of porting the add ons into Version 4 progresses. If I was presently having issues with version 3.4, I would probably make the move being aware that I was going to possibly lose things that I liked in my present sim, but since I am not having any problems at all with 3.4, I see no rush to make the switch." 

Now where in that paragraph do you find where I gave a negative idea of P3D V4?  What I said was, is that for me ( here we go again- for me means, for Bob personally) I don't have a problem with V 3.4, so switching at this point has little benefit FOR ME!!!!!!

 

Then why take the time and effort to write up a post if it's only geared towards YOU????

Sounds like your ego got the best of you.

IT looks pretty darn arrogant to post a writeup of your impressions and then get angry that people are challenging your opinions.

If you don't want people challenging your opinions then why in the world did you post them on a public forum???

Besides, you're calling people rude names and demeaning people and at the end of it all, you say other people are being rude.

Haha good stuff...

 

Besides, you know what you wrote was written in a way to minimalize the p3d v4 improvements.

Why in the world should we even care about any of your impressions of a new sim?? Who are you anyways?

[ccanadianbacon 0]

This post is hilarious to read. It is just one persons opinion. If everyone who opposes that opinion would stop posting on the topic, then it would be off the first page in a matter of hours. At that point everyone would loose interest quickly and probably wouldn't see it again!!

[rototom 198]

4 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

2. There were only a few changes in the program, that went along with 64 bit, but not very many. Flight physics were untouched, UI almost the same, some rain effects, and a few others. Nothing that jumped out at me, frankly. 

I got 64 bit as a free update with my sim.