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What's the best business jet for P3D mid 2017?

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I've been playing around with the thought of getting a fun business jet after spending all my time in the NGX simulating real world OPS for many years and was just about to ask what good options there are for business jets now in mid 2017.

I know real good business jets have been hard to find for many years compared to most other types of aircraft. I find this strange why developers don't invest more resources into this area considering the huge amount of people who has showed interest for as long as I can remember myself included.

What I'm after is a business jet a la PMDG style that both looks really good inside and out but that also comes with all the working systems found in its real world counterpart. Since I do all my flying online on VATSIM it also needs to support using the latest NAV data, come with an autopilot able to correctly and realistically follow SIDs, STARs, transitions, holdings etc etc. Think the NGX or a similar model but in form of a business jet.

Any ideas?

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Nothing at all to the level of the NGX, Eaglesoft have a few arriving soon but Eaglesofts version of soon might be different to most folks understanding of "soon"

Milviz have a Lear on the way but I suspect we may see P3D V5 sooner.

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OK, apparently nothing changed in this arena...too bad.

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Ha I think we have a thread every few weeks on this topic.  The demand is high but the supply is low.  Especially if you're looking for new glass cockpits.  I recommend the FSW Lear 35 or xtreme prototypes Lear 25 both can accept GTN 750

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Yeah, again I find it really strange why there isn't a bigger interest from the developers.

Clearly this is an area where they could make a lot of money and could have for many years considering the interest and at the same time the lack of good options.

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I have the Carenado Hawker 850xp.  Ya its no where near the pmdg level but is a very accurate model of the plane.  My dad worked on the the 700 and 800's for 20 years and he even says it a very accurate simulation of the plane

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6 minutes ago, ooxteme said:

I have the Carenado Hawker 850xp.  Ya its no where near the pmdg level but is a very accurate model of the plane.  My dad worked on the the 700 and 800's for 20 years and he even says it a very accurate simulation of the plane

Thanks for the tip, will check it out.

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Depends on what version of P3D you are talking about. If it's v4 then there is nothing close to PMDG. 

Since holding, SID, and STARs are part of your requirement then that basically throws out everything that Carenado and Alabeo make. They have yet to make their Navigraph for v4 and even if they do the avionics are simplistic. There are known issues with Direct To and Holding.

The Lear 35 is nice, but not glass. Even with the GTN750 the GTN does not read altitude from the sim and thus is incapable of doing conditional waypoints such as track or heading to altitude found on many SIDs.

ESDG is working on a Citation XLS and a Challenger. However, last I read they are not doing P3D v4. 

MILVIZ is working on the B350, not a jet, but it has been delayed for a long time. Last information is it is still far from complete. The LJ60 and P.180 will be after the B350.

The bottom line is if you are looking for PMDG in the Biz Jet community it does not exist.

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Thanks for the input Ken.

What you write is spot on what I'm looking for that apparently still doesn't exist so guess I'll just continue to fly my trustworthy NGX hoping we'll one day see a business jet full-filling my as well as many others needs and wishes.

I wish I was a coder with the right resources and skills and I would develop the aircraft we all want myself and become rich at the same time :D

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Until Eaglesoft produce their next generation of biz jets  - the Carenado Ciation 525a CJ2 with 'mod squad' upgrades including GTN750 is pretty nice and glass. See video 

 

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Thanks, does it also work in P3Dv4?

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1 hour ago, Dean33 said:

 

Until Eaglesoft produce their next generation of biz jets  - the Carenado Ciation 525a CJ2 with 'mod squad' upgrades including GTN750 is pretty nice and glass. See video 

 

Thanks, will check it out. 

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2 hours ago, KenG said:

Depends on what version of P3D you are talking about. If it's v4 then there is nothing close to PMDG. 

Since holding, SID, and STARs are part of your requirement then that basically throws out everything that Carenado and Alabeo make. They have yet to make their Navigraph for v4 and even if they do the avionics are simplistic. There are known issues with Direct To and Holding.

The Lear 35 is nice, but not glass. Even with the GTN750 the GTN does not read altitude from the sim and thus is incapable of doing conditional waypoints such as track or heading to altitude found on many SIDs.

ESDG is working on a Citation XLS and a Challenger. However, last I read they are not doing P3D v4. 

MILVIZ is working on the B350, not a jet, but it has been delayed for a long time. Last information is it is still far from complete. The LJ60 and P.180 will be after the B350.

The bottom line is if you are looking for PMDG in the Biz Jet community it does not exist.

ES is for sure NOT doing P3D v4? I heard they were doing FSX then P3D later - has that changed?  If so that's terrible - FSX is dead and ancient

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Last I read they are doing 32 bit. 64-bit variant may be looked at in the future.

That being said I rarely visit their forums anymore. So there may be newer info.

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I would suspect that ESDG will do x64 sooner or later given that I've already updated the custom sound module for x64.

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Carenado just came out with their Embraer Phenom 300 P3Dv4. With the Bert Pieke GTN750 mod this is a great  business jet. I just installed the mod and great to have the 750 in the panel with full sids and stars.

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It seems to me if you have to jam an unrealistic avionics package into a third party aircraft to get it to function properly, then the aircraft wasn't worth buying in the first place. To each their own and all that, but it's just sad that Carenado does so well by falsely presenting the features of their products.

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Just now, Chapstick said:

It seems to me if you have to jam an unrealistic avionics package into a third party aircraft to get it to function properly, then the aircraft wasn't worth buying in the first place. To each their own and all that, but it's just sad that Carenado does so well by falsely presenting the features of their products.

Many jets do retrofitting of avionics packages but as you stated to each his own.

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3 hours ago, warbirds said:

Thanks, does it also work in P3Dv4?

Yes. There's a P3Dv4 release.

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Not PMDG level nor V4 compatible (as far as I know), but not bad features-wise (since it is made in partnership with Dassault, so it has the HUD and other things like those on the real aeroplane) and it is a little unusual compared to most small jets (in that it is a three-holer). It does have a glass cockpit too (with four massive PFDs), this being the Wilco Dassault Falcon 7X tri-jet. It's pretty inexpensive (20 quid), so possibly worth a punt without getting too heartbroken over the price if it doesn't blow your socks off:

https://www.justflight.com/product/wilco-dassault-falcon-7x

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45 minutes ago, Lenny777 said:

Carenado just came out with their Embraer Phenom 300 P3Dv4. With the Bert Pieke GTN750 mod this is a great  business jet. I just installed the mod and great to have the 750 in the panel with full sids and stars.

Do you have this in v4?

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Just now, warbirds said:

Do you have this in v4?

Yes. I got it from Bert last year for the Phenom and GTX90. Both work as modifications for P3Dv4. I'm flying the Phenom 300 v4 750 as I type this.

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1 hour ago, Lenny777 said:

Carenado just came out with their Embraer Phenom 300 P3Dv4. With the Bert Pieke GTN750 mod this is a great  business jet. I just installed the mod and great to have the 750 in the panel with full sids and stars.

I think this combo might be the best option at this time.

The aircraft looks great both on the inside as well as externally as far as I can tell from the video clips I've seen and with the GTN750 my need for SIDs, STARs etc would be covered.

Will be quite an expensive purchase though but might be worth it. Would be great fun with this kind of aircraft as a fresh change to the NGX where I've spent thousands of hours.

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