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Hi all,

I am about for a new computer mainly for P3D.
1. Considering the 8700k. Is there great difference with the 7700k?

2. What m/b would be suitable?

Thanks,

Christos

 

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The main difference is 2 additional cores and if hyper threading is enabled 4 threads more.

Do you do anything additional with your computer? Video encoding or Lightroom/Photoshop or 3D modeling? If so, then the extra cores would be a big boost.

Finally: cost. Do you have a hard limit of cash to spend? A 7700K and appropriate motherboard would be somewhat less expensive.

Check out my signature to see my computer components. I'm very happy with what I have.

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Thanks RichioFly,

I use my computer mainly for flight simulation. Going now to P3D v4.

In this regard, are they differences in performance between gtx 7700k and 8700k?

 

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2 hours ago, Ourgas2 said:

Hi all,

I am about for a new computer mainly for P3D.
1. Considering the 8700k. Is there great difference with the 7700k?

2. What m/b would be suitable?

Thanks,

Christos

 

 

Z370 boards for 8700K and Z270 for 7700K. I have an Asus Maximus X Code for my 8700K, haven't installed it yet though.

In terms of performance...

Single core = 1% better

Multi-core = 50% better

You would have to decide how important multi-core is for P3D. 

Overclocks to 5 GHz relatively easy as long as you have the cooling. Deliding recommended for 5 GHz or higher, thus up to 5.2 feasible. 

 

Here in the UK there's only £30 difference between the 7700K and the new 8700K. So my choice would be the 8700K. No point in buying previous generation when there's so little price difference. 

Z370 boards can be had for all prices. My board was expensive, but you can get a Maximus X Hero for £269. Strix Z370F for £197. Or Asus Prime Z370 for £169.

 

 

 

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Here's a comparison: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-7700K/3937vs3647

As mentioned, the extra 2 cores/4threads of the 8700K can be useful for P3Dv4 and its addons (the extra cores/threads will be critical for doing the terrain loading work).  Also, the 8700K has 50% more cache... having more cache is never a bad thing no matter what you're using the computer for.  And I'll reassert that the 8700K (delided) is a very good overclocker.

HTH and have fun!

Greg

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I just build a new PC in December. I went with the 8700K, MSI Gaming M5 motherboard and EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FTW3.   My system is a beast and runs P3D very well.

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I went with an 8700K because I won't be upgrading again for at least 4-5 years.  (I always tell myself that, anyway).  So I buy the latest and greatest consumer-grade cpu.  Plus you never know when the extra cores may help in that time period, or what add-on I might run in the future that may benefit.

 

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6 hours ago, Adrian123 said:

7700K. Everything I can throw at it. 5ghz at 60c.

 

Really! 5 GHz at only 60C you say!

Delidded of course, but what cooling?

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Adrian123 said:

No delidding. Dont believe in it. Voodoism. H100 cooler.

 

What kind of load? Which stress test? Ambient temp?

Important to measure core temp of course, not CPU temp. CPU temp is lower. 

 

 

 

 

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I would love to see some screens of 5.0 on the 7700 at full power and 60C.
Not that I don't believe it, just really interested.

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13 hours ago, Adrian123 said:

7700K. Everything I can throw at it. 5ghz at 60c.

Mmmm..... Really?  I have the 7700k at 5GHz. Delidded, cooled with a FULL custom loop and ambient at only 21c.  Absolutely NO WAY can it do 60c loaded.  If your does, never ever sell it;-)

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7 hours ago, PaulGR said:

I would love to see some screens of 5.0 on the 7700 at full power and 60C.
Not that I don't believe it, just really interested.

Awesome Fedex B777 in your sig Paul!  .

As for 5.0 ghz at 60degC, that may be what I call case temp.  Or a really primo piece of silicon. I've seen stranger things.  That reminds me, there used to be a program called "CoreTemp", I will have to look for it again as I move toward overclocking my new machine.

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2 hours ago, Mace said:

..."CoreTemp", I will have to look for it again as I move toward overclocking my new machine.

Yep, Core Temp is still a great tool.

Greg

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11 hours ago, Mace said:

Awesome Fedex B777 in your sig Paul!  .

As for 5.0 ghz at 60degC, that may be what I call case temp.  Or a really primo piece of silicon. I've seen stranger things.  That reminds me, there used to be a program called "CoreTemp", I will have to look for it again as I move toward overclocking my new machine.

 

Yep, that was my point above, I asked him that.

CPU temp/Case Temp is measured from a different sensor, just under IHS. Core Temp on the other hand is measured from sensors in the cores themselves and is thus higher.

CoreTemp is still available and widely used, as is RealTemp. 

He hasn't replied of course, which may be telling.  

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Hi Guys,

 

What about the 8600K against the 8700K where the main purpose would be P3D?

Anyone has a feedback about 8600k and P3dv4?

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I had a power surge today that murdered my SSD even though I was connected to a UPS.

Got so frustrated as I literally finished tweaking my FSX around a week ago after fresh install.

Said Fek it. No more.

Purchased 8700K, 16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 3200, ASRock Fatal1ty Z370 and a 500GB Samsung SSD. Keeping my Old H110 as it runs great.

I shouldn't see some crazy improvement over my 4790K but whatever. Had this setup for over 3 years. Time to move with times :)

I'll drop my old system on ebay to recover something and I'm happy... Well I will be very happy once I move to P3D... but now I have pay the PC first so I will run my good old ancient software for now :D

I'll plan to go 5.0 so will post my findings next week.

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12 hours ago, PaulGR said:

I had a power surge today that murdered my SSD even though I was connected to a UPS.

Got so frustrated as I literally finished tweaking my FSX around a week ago after fresh install.

Two things spring to mind here. The first is to replace your UPS as it obviously didn't do its job of filtering out surges. The second is why didn't you just install a new SSD and rebuild it from your backup (which you do regularly, right)?

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2 hours ago, vortex681 said:

Two things spring to mind here. The first is to replace your UPS as it obviously didn't do its job of filtering out surges. The second is why didn't you just install a new SSD and rebuild it from your backup (which you do regularly, right)?

I have this setup since 2015. Apart from using it for FSX I also do plenty of 3D and rendering in Maya. 2 extra cores and faster mem will be a significant upgrade for me.
On top of that I can still get good $$ for my 4790K + memory + MB which makes the swap not that expensive at all.
I don't do OS backups. Reinstall take minutes these days. Not to mention I also have a mac that I work on during my PC downtime so I don't mind doing it this way.

As for UPS yeah. New one on order :)
 

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On 19/01/2018 at 5:10 AM, PaulGR said:

I had a power surge today that murdered my SSD even though I was connected to a UPS.

Got so frustrated as I literally finished tweaking my FSX around a week ago after fresh install.

Said Fek it. No more.

Purchased 8700K, 16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 3200, ASRock Fatal1ty Z370 and a 500GB Samsung SSD. Keeping my Old H110 as it runs great.

I shouldn't see some crazy improvement over my 4790K but whatever. Had this setup for over 3 years. Time to move with times :)

I'll drop my old system on ebay to recover something and I'm happy... Well I will be very happy once I move to P3D... but now I have pay the PC first so I will run my good old ancient software for now :D

I'll plan to go 5.0 so will post my findings next week.

 

Strange a power surge would damage "just" the SSD and nothing else. The UPS may not have caught it because it wasn't a power surge at all. 

 Perhaps just a random SSD failure? What evidence do you have that it was a power surge?

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6 hours ago, martin-w said:

 

Strange a power surge would damage "just" the SSD and nothing else. The UPS may not have caught it because it wasn't a power surge at all. 

 Perhaps just a random SSD failure? What evidence do you have that it was a power surge?

All the lights at home went off/on/off/on and on the second flash my PC went dark for a moment and when monitors came back everything was frozen and that was it. I was mid flight to CYYZ on my inaugural in new VA. Bad luck.

I did quick windows reinstall on another drive to make sure nothing else died but everything check out besides that one SSD that doesn’t even show up as connected anymore. 

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On 21/01/2018 at 2:41 PM, PaulGR said:

All the lights at home went off/on/off/on and on the second flash my PC went dark for a moment and when monitors came back everything was frozen and that was it. I was mid flight to CYYZ on my inaugural in new VA. Bad luck.

I did quick windows reinstall on another drive to make sure nothing else died but everything check out besides that one SSD that doesn’t even show up as connected anymore. 

 

Oh okay. Power surges can indeed occur when the power comes back on after a power cut. 

Very surprised your UPS didn't catch it. What make was it by the way? And just the SSD  is weird. Perhaps it was the weakest link, a bit dodgy anyway.

 

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Power surges sometime scramble BIOS / UEFI settings. It might have changed the settings so it couldn't see the drive. 

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Well, first impressions are optimistic.
Still little unstable mostly due to ASRock and XMP profile which has some issues according to forums.
Most that I am happy about are the temps. At idle I'm at 26C. I'm now thinking 5.1 or 5.2 even if I get lucky.
I'm cooling it with a H150i.

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