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Any way to use this with P3Dv4? I installed to the root directory of P3Dv4, but could not find any .gau files for A318/319. Is there a way to work this?

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The Aerosoft Airbuses are not v4 compatible, they are one of the few developers who are very slow to update. They have published a timeline of their intentions for the Airbus series over in their Forums.

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9 minutes ago, JustanotherPilot said:

The Aerosoft Airbuses are not v4 compatible, they are one of the few developers who are very slow to update.

Yeah, them and Captain Sim!!!

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12 hours ago, JustanotherPilot said:

The Aerosoft Airbuses are not v4 compatible, they are one of the few developers who are very slow to update.

Well not entierly true here mate...

AS is one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) FS Publisher on the market. They don't have 1 aircraft and/or 20 sceneries but more acft and hundreds of sceneries. With the same staff, they are unable to fulfill everyones wishes (in other words they set priorities meaning some users are happy others not so happy ;) ).

Furthermore the AS Busses were released years ago so the code was way to old to just rewrite it (and we won't be that happy with the results). So instead of a quick jump conversion thingie they decided to do it all over again with implementation of new findings, optimised coding, and so on -> so to say they are releasing almost a new ACFT.

I like this approach more than the quick and dirty thing and to confess, I'm also eager for the release (although I already have that other one ;) ).

 

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1 hour ago, GEKtheReaper said:

Well not entierly true here mate...

AS is one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) FS Publisher on the market. They don't have 1 aircraft and/or 20 sceneries but more acft and hundreds of sceneries. With the same staff, they are unable to fulfill everyones wishes (in other words they set priorities meaning some users are happy others not so happy ;) ).

Furthermore the AS Busses were released years ago so the code was way to old to just rewrite it (and we won't be that happy with the results). So instead of a quick jump conversion thingie they decided to do it all over again with implementation of new findings, optimised coding, and so on -> so to say they are releasing almost a new ACFT.

I like this approach more than the quick and dirty thing and to confess, I'm also eager for the release (although I already have that other one ;) ).

 

Best wishes,

Gerald

This is wrong on so many levels. Look at the PMDG 737 which is way older than the Aerosoft busses... and we all have been enjoying it in P3Dv4 for many months. The airbusses are for sure their most sold project... So you would think they would shift enough resources to this project... it was and it is just a poor performance on Aerosofts side... 

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31 minutes ago, officercrockey said:

This is wrong on so many levels. Look at the PMDG 737 which is way older than the Aerosoft busses... and we all have been enjoying it in P3Dv4 for many months. The airbusses are for sure their most sold project... So you would think they would shift enough resources to this project... it was and it is just a poor performance on Aerosofts side... 

It’s a new aircraft. Except for the model, the whole thing is being redone. What’s so difficult to understand? 

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49 minutes ago, GHarrall said:

It’s a new aircraft. Except for the model, the whole thing is being redone. What’s so difficult to understand? 

And that is only the outside, the VC is completely new and so are the sounds as is......it's a new product is the best way to describe it.

The one I fly took 7 years so just how long has it been? since it probably going to be 90% new. If its a year is very fast.

If you don't want to wait then you have options.

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The next Airbus Release from Aerosoft might of course be a "new" product, yes. But that´s not the reason for not porting the "old" Airbus to x64 P3Dv4...

In my opinion the reason for that decision was obviously just a commercial one. PMDG managed to port their whole product line within weeks after P3Dv4 release and the program code-base of their products is much, much bigger than those of the AS Airbus. Porting x86 to x64 is not as complicated as some publishers pretend. You don´t have to "rewrite" the whole code base to do so.

Aerosoft simply wants to push sales of the "new" Airbus by not giving customers a free x64 port of the old one. That approach is completely comprehensible in terms of business. The way Aerosoft communicates that to the public is not. Anyway, not providing a ported x64 Airbus after P3Dv4 for about 9 months now - just to keep customers at their A320 product family - might have been a huge own goal as they certainly lost market share to FSLabs.

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AS has stated the Airbus is more than just a "port Over". They realized there were many update and changes that needed to occur. You omitted IMO is this statement "Aerosoft simply wants to push sales of the "new" Airbus by not giving customers a free x64 port of the old one"

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17 minutes ago, Adrian123 said:

AS has stated the Airbus is more than just a "port Over"

I didn´t question that.

 

19 minutes ago, Adrian123 said:

They realized there were many update and changes that needed to occur.

Not for a plain x64 port only. Being a programmer by myself I simply don´t believe any story about the need of completely rewritten code just for x64 compatibility.
As I said before... I do understand their decision commercially but I don´t think their underlying argumentation is 100% candid.

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1 hour ago, Schlotterknie said:

I didn´t question that.

 

Not for a plain x64 port only. Being a programmer by myself I simply don´t believe any story about the need of completely rewritten code just for x64 compatibility.
As I said before... I do understand their decision commercially but I don´t think their underlying argumentation is 100% candid.

Well thats because they didn't say it was a plain 64bit port.  I think that was their plan initially when v4 was a rumor but then decided to do the much needed work on the aircraft series as a whole to incorporate a ton of enhancements to take advantage of the 64bit arena.  Better FMC, systems, TrueGlass, lighting, etc so that is a much larger coding effort.  And as a coder then you should know anything with the FMC is a nightmare.  I'm guessing they wanted to keep pace with FSlabs but each aircraft provide a dfferent experience but it will be a much improved set of aircraft.  

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Not making a plain x64 port and doing any further development for a new version afterwards simply was a big mistake. That´s just really pretty bad customer retention.
Many users meanwhile went on to a well known competitors product. That´s also what I did.

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I think your argument Schotterkie is very short sighted. They could have done a port over to please you and am sure others to. But what was there last Bus like? one side of the VC working only, one MCDU, FO side was just a mirror. I could go on.....it really was not good imo. I got a lot of stick of fans of it once for calling it a "toy", yer it was harsh and perhaps unfair but it really was not good. 

FSL have set imo a level above all. But Aerosoft is for a different market, they don't care about FSL and rightly so. But why should they waste time on porting a very basic (imo) bus? 

What they are doing is bringing a "new" bus out that will give people real options between the FSL and there version. You want Full on as close to a level D sim we can get go spend £130 and it's yours. If you want there new bus that is leagues better than their old one even in beta, it will probably have the best A320 VC that will "fully" work with lots of fun eye caddy stuff. It will be a working A320 with a great sound set and will be very enjoyable at that level of simulation it's not aimed at the FSL level. They will be two versions for two different types of simmer, but the gap will be a lot closer than before. That's good news for anyone wanting a Bus. The price difference is huge.

Do I think FSL have made aerosoft wont to up there game? yer ofc it has. 

Should they have wasted time on there old version? No.

You will just have to wait, I did for 7 years for the FSL A320.

O and the new Aerosoft Bus will cost you less than one wing of the FSL Bus. For people who bought the old bus from them its peanuts. 

The new Aerosoft bus will be a great product and a silly price for people that A) don't want to pay for the FSL version and B) don't appreciate or need/want that level of depth.

You will get a good Bus, you just have to wait and stick the old one in the bin, close the lid and forget about it. move on, because aerosoft have moved there bus on a long way and it's great to watch it develop. Also they put FSL PMDG to shame when it comes to keeping their customers informed on what happening and they should get a huge amount of praise for it. I don't know how they put up with the questions they get asked over there. I would have to have a bunch bag hanging close by. The times a question is asked and the answer is at the top of the page is breathtaking and they give the same people a Red button to press it so funny.

 

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11 hours ago, Nyxx said:

Also they put FSL PMDG to shame when it comes to keeping their customers informed on what happening and they should get a huge amount of praise for it. I don't know how they put up with the questions they get asked over there. I would have to have a bunch bag hanging close by. The times a question is asked and the answer is at the top of the page is breathtaking and they give the same people a Red button to press it so funny.

You did not really get what @Schlotterknie was trying to say. Exactly the opposite is the case. Because mostly when they "inform" you, they are pretty much telling you wrong stories. They might have a very good reason not to port the old bus over, but it is purely commercially (which is fine, but don't make up stories). For the most customers it would have been perfectly fine to use the old bus in P3Dv4 till the new one arrives. Btw. I am flying the other one... so it is not the case, that I can't wait for something.

But if I would have gotten a dollar, everytime Mathijs gave a wrong information or a prediction turned out to be very wrong (We plan to do the A330 in 2015...2016 for sure.... 2017.... very early 2018... you get the point), I would be a millionaire. So really nothing they deserve praise for

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I would imagine that one reason for the delay from Aerosoft is they now have very good competition from FSL when they first produced their Airbus people were glad to get it as it was then I believe the first, I would bet that the minute they release their new Airbus it will be compared to the FSL version even thou the FSL will most likely cost,s two or three times the price, another reason is in my opinion is the Airbus is not a high priority for Aerosoft! think most previous Airbus purchasers will expect a healthy discount and most serious Airbus fans will also look at the FSL version before purchasing, so how big is the market for Aerosoft,s New Airbus

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7 hours ago, officercrockey said:

You did not really get what @Schlotterknie was trying to say. Exactly the opposite is the case. Because mostly when they "inform" you, they are pretty much telling you wrong stories. They might have a very good reason not to port the old bus over, but it is purely commercially (which is fine, but don't make up stories). For the most customers it would have been perfectly fine to use the old bus in P3Dv4 till the new one arrives. Btw. I am flying the other one... so it is not the case, that I can't wait for something.

But if I would have gotten a dollar, everytime Mathijs gave a wrong information or a prediction turned out to be very wrong (We plan to do the A330 in 2015...2016 for sure.... 2017.... very early 2018... you get the point), I would be a millionaire. So really nothing they deserve praise for

Well perhaps I need to remind you that PMDG said and even made a video saying the NG is coming this summer. 18 month later......you might not like the updates or the answers you get like PMDG showing the JS looking ready for P3D then 3 months later at the end of Jan your told its on hold. So what year is that coming out?

Show me PMDG giving out weekly updates or FSL even giving monthly updates. ATM Mathjis is giving weekly updates and you say they dont deserve any praise. Well I disagree. Like I said you might not like what your hear but you do get to hear something unlike PMDG that can throw a "soon" at you and it can be a year before you hear anything. Mathjis could do what PMDG and FSL do and not tell you anything until they feel fit and watch the months go by.

What's this "makes up stories"? He is the project manager at Aerosoft and over see properly all on going projects do you think he has the time to make stories?

If you gave a job to someone to do and left them to it, a week later you ask for a report, the guy comes to you and explains a problem and why its taking longer. If you then report that to your customer does he then turn round to you and say "your telling me stories"?

"They might have a very good reason not to port the old bus over, but it is purely commercially"

Well if commercially is not wasting countless man hours on an out dates project, when that time can be spent far more producterly on a new project then yer it's a wise commercial decision! 

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3 hours ago, wizzards said:

 I would bet that the minute they release their new Airbus it will be compared to the FSL version even thou the FSL will most likely cost,s two or three times the price, another reason is in my opinion is the Airbus is not a high priority for Aerosoft! think most previous Airbus purchasers will expect a healthy discount and most serious Airbus fans will also look at the FSL version before purchasing, so how big is the market for Aerosoft,s New Airbus

Peter

Yes Peter the forums will be full of it. People will be taking sides it will go on for months and months....

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31 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Well perhaps I need to remind you that PMDG said and even made a video saying the NG is coming this summer. 18 month later......you might not like the updates or the answers you get like PMDG showing the JS looking ready for P3D then 3 months later at the end of Jan your told its on hold. So what year is that coming out?

I personally don´t care about any delays. That can happen... I don´t mind.

The difference between the PMDG NG and the Aerosoft Airbus is... PMDG provided free x64 ports for the whole product line. Aerosoft didn´t.

 

35 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

What's this "makes up stories"? He is the project manager at Aerosoft and over see properly all on going projects do you think he has the time to make stories?

If he was not able to tell stories he´d truly be a bad manager ;-)

@Nyxx what do you think is the reason for not porting the old Airbus to x64?

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48 minutes ago, Schlotterknie said:

I personally don´t care about any delays. That can happen... I don´t mind.

The difference between the PMDG NG and the Aerosoft Airbus is... PMDG provided free x64 ports for the whole product line. Aerosoft didn´t.

 

If he was not able to tell stories he´d truly be a bad manager ;-)

@Nyxx what do you think is the reason for not porting the old Airbus to x64?

I guess what part of "they are porting to 64bit but also decided to really enhance the aircraft and rebuild the systems from the ground up, add other 64bit enhancements like TrueGlass etc" didn't you get.  All PMDG did was make the gauges 64 bit.  As stated many times above AS, as a good dev should do, decided to make their product better. 

Could they have taken the time to port just the gauges and whatever else broke moving to v4...yes.  But why spend precious developer time making a middling update when you can really make the product better.  So flightsimmers don't have an Airbus series for 6+ months or however long its been.  In the end they get a better aircraft series.  

So if AS is rebuilding the aircraft from the ground up with almost 80% new code why is an upgrade fee unjustified.   Hell feelthere, Captainsim, and many other devs charged for the simple port over.  AS is redoing almost everything.  

I guess I don't get the angst towards devs. I'm not an AS apologist but i don't think any of us know what its like until we are in their shoes.  Especially when flight simmers have an infinite combination of hardware systems, 4+ flight sims, multiple update versions in those flight sims, compatibility among other addons.  I know i wouldn't want to deal with that nightmare.  

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2 minutes ago, jason99vmi said:

I guess what part of "they are porting to 64bit but also decided to really enhance the aircraft and rebuild the systems from the ground up, add other 64bit enhancements like TrueGlass etc" didn't you get.

Calm down dude... I´ve now read that the 'new bus' sentence a several times. I got that point if you believe me or not. That new bus is just not what I´m talking about, so maybe it´s you who doesn´t get it.

Why AS didn´t make a plain x64 port before making a 'brand new' product? Simple question, isn´t it? I guess that port might not have been the end of all Aerosoft Airbus development but it would have given customers the possibility to fly the AS bus in an oom free x64 environment. Customer tie ist the magic word here. I´m one of those customers who´s gone elsewhere - no matter what that new AS bus will be like.

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1 hour ago, Schlotterknie said:

I personally don´t care about any delays. That can happen... I don´t mind.

The difference between the PMDG NG and the Aerosoft Airbus is... PMDG provided free x64 ports for the whole product line. Aerosoft didn´t.

 

If he was not able to tell stories he´d truly be a bad manager ;-)

@Nyxx what do you think is the reason for not porting the old Airbus to x64?

Well PMDG as you say did not charge for x64 that is true, but they did charge full price for there P3D version, when just about every other vendor just charged a small amount or none. 

Am not stick up for Aerosoft on other things like I still think calling there v4 "The professional" version is an OMG and the thought of there new Bus being called the "Professional" version is well draw your own conclusions. :biggrin:

"If he was not able to tell stories he´d truly be a bad manager ;-)" :laugh: True :biggrin:

"@Nyxx what do you think is the reason for not porting the old Airbus to x64?" I thought I had answered that one, in a nutshell..., a complete waste of time ,money and resources. All that better spent on the new one.

When will it come out? well that will be only the start because it will then need hotfixes. IMO and am not having a dig at them I would say Sept/Oct for it to be running really well.

A new update just came out for the FSL 8 years from start!, so there "Professional" version will be ongoing for another year I would think! I can remember the amount of hotfixes the last bus got. I gave up counting. But it will get there but really who knows when! But they are working really hard that's for sure. So are FSL in making it even better. So it goes on....I want my A319 and I want it now! :laugh:

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Whatever they do, I will decide at that time what to do with my money. But one thing remains, I do not buy those statements from AS (they got a bad image when it comes to communication and timelines).

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3 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

"@Nyxx what do you think is the reason for not porting the old Airbus to x64?" I thought I had answered that one, in a nutshell..., a complete was of time ,money and resources. All that better spent on the new one.

That exactly is the mistake. A port to x64 would have kept their customers at their product and that could have been done with very little effort and if some manager tells you that they would had to rewrite the whole code just for a naked x86=>x64 port he does that mentioned 'storyteller' part of his job pretty good ;-)

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Ok will will agree to disagree on the "mistake" :biggrin:

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