1 hour ago, tooting said:

high pitched 13 year old tower controllers  that you can barely make out what they are saying because their Internet connection is rubbish their 10 year old brother is streaming and there mother is shouting in the background

That's not fair.  The mothers are just doing what they should be doing.

1 hour ago, tooting said:

I love vatsim but it pains me to say It's run by a bunch of dudes who would rather sit on thier laurels and grandure rather than let some young entrepreneurs like Davies take it over and make some great improvements 

I'd place my bet on Davies on doing a fine job of it too.  He's passionate about it and that counts for alot.

3 hours ago, ErichB said:

That's not fair.  The mothers are just doing what they should be doing.

I'd place my bet on Davies on doing a fine job of it too.  He's passionate about it and that counts for alot.

I agree. But he wants to make some money from it. Who can blame him.

Even when the board of founders / governers are in nursing homes we will still have junk voice codes and they'll be pointing their walking sticks shouting 'I started this in 2001 don't you know young man' the voice severs will still crackle and we won't have cpdlc. 

Edited September 5, 20187 yr by tooting

12 hours ago, tooting said:

I agree. But he wants to make some money from it. Who can blame him.

Not sure why some people  get so uptight when he wants to turn his efforts into commercial ventures. If it’s a quality delivery - I don’t mind paying.   The days of free anything are gone. 

So it seems like POSCON is still 'a thing' with Andrew Heath now taking back full control. 

It will be an interesting year for online flying as VATSIM also seems to be shortly introducing the new tech changes (new voice CODECS and reduced latency - to name just two)

On 1/3/2019 at 9:43 AM, ErichB said:

So it seems like POSCON is still 'a thing' with Andrew Heath now taking back full control. 

It will be an interesting year for online flying as VATSIM also seems to be shortly introducing the new tech changes (new voice CODECS and reduced latency - to name just two)

will they "shortly" though? 

But yeah, interesting it will be for sure!

From what I have read in the last time I think it was never more close to a real Vatsim upgrade then now. And when it is ready it will change a lot for online flying standards.

About Poscon... I believe it will never really come alive. (My humble opinion) 

On 1/3/2019 at 8:43 AM, ErichB said:

So it seems like POSCON is still 'a thing' with Andrew Heath now taking back full control. 

It will be an interesting year for online flying as VATSIM also seems to be shortly introducing the new tech changes (new voice CODECS and reduced latency - to name just two)

I'll wage anyone £10 bet to a charity of their choice  we won't have the codecs on June 7th 6 months from today. 

I'll also wager another £10 that poscon will also not be off the ground in a years time. 

Any takers, money from a baby right? 

38 minutes ago, tooting said:

I'll wage anyone £10 bet to a charity of their choice  we won't have the codecs on June 7th 6 months from today. 

I'll also wager another £10 that poscon will also not be off the ground in a years time. 

Any takers, money from a baby right? 

For larfs, I'll betcha.  

Done mate, easiest 20 quid I ever made 🙄

1 hour ago, tooting said:

Done mate, easiest 20 quid I ever made 🙄

As I am my favourite charity of choice, it was an easy commitment 🙂But I'm going to give the boys at VATSIM some benefit of the eternal doubt..... 

On 1/7/2019 at 9:04 PM, tooting said:

I'll also wager another £10 that poscon will also not be off the ground in a years time.

@tooting so far, you're winning. 🙂

Never in a month of Sundays is that codec going to be around by June.I Joined vatsim in 2001. The only thing in 18 years that has changed is we now have euro frequencys and vpilot instead of squawkbox. 

19 years and you still have gash voice codecs, no cpdlc. You've still got people at 30 west chatting away on a fictional 133 vhf channel giving position reports every 10 degrees. Its rilarious.  But this is vatsim, nothing changes. 

Sure in the real world you can cross with no cpdlc (you can Mel it so long as you keep a constant altitude and mach, we've had it recently a few times at my airline where the cpdlc was in-op) but its very rare and don't get me started on pbs tracks. 

Some guy who I belive was a developer (I could be wrong) wrote a long post on reddit as to the issues with bringing in the new codecs  it was really interesting. 

 

Id wager some of the founders of vatsim have got to be in their 70s they should let some young blood take over. 

Edited February 25, 20197 yr by tooting

On 2/25/2019 at 9:19 PM, tooting said:

Never in a month of Sundays is that codec going to be around by June.I Joined vatsim in 2001. The only thing in 18 years that has changed is we now have euro frequencys and vpilot instead of squawkbox. 

19 years and you still have gash voice codecs, no cpdlc. You've still got people at 30 west chatting away on a fictional 133 vhf channel giving position reports every 10 degrees. Its rilarious.  But this is vatsim, nothing changes. 

Sure in the real world you can cross with no cpdlc (you can Mel it so long as you keep a constant altitude and mach, we've had it recently a few times at my airline where the cpdlc was in-op) but its very rare and don't get me started on pbs tracks. 

Some guy who I belive was a developer (I could be wrong) wrote a long post on reddit as to the issues with bringing in the new codecs  it was really interesting. 

 

Id wager some of the founders of vatsim have got to be in their 70s they should let some young blood take over. 

Did anyone say 

 #oungblood.

Yeah.. I'm really interesting what might happen if they'd allow it. What is the politcal game that stops change from happening?

1 hour ago, Victoroos said:

eah.. I'm really interesting what might happen if they'd allow it. What is the politcal game that stops change from happening?

Allow what?

It's really easy to come up with a list of wants.

"I want CPDLC" (actually, you can have that right now: Hoppie's ACARS network exists, there have been plugins on the controller side for yonks, there's standalone software which you can use as a pilot. Why haven't more aircraft developers integrated it?)

"I want a new voice system"

"I want new servers and pilot clients with smoother more frequent updates"

Those things and others have been on the BoG/Founders' list of wants for years, you only have to look at the meeting notes to see the desire to implement this stuff.

Wanting these things, however, is no good if you can't find people who:

• Want (at least one of) these things
• Have the skills and experience to write the software to make it happen
• Want it badly enough to spend a very large amount of their spare time coding, refining, testing, re-coding etc.
• Have sufficient spare time they are prepared to commit to the above

These people don't grow on trees. It's a volunteer-run organisation which is far less centralised than people seem to think. People write software (or anything else - documentation, websites, resources etc) for VATSIM generally because they enjoy doing it and they want to improve their own experience, not because someone on the Board of Governors says "We want a new voice codec, so we're telling you to go and write it, and we want it ready next week so make sure it's not late. And by the way, you need to make sure it works with all the sims -- FS9, FSX, P3D, X-Plane and anything else you can think of that you can connect a pilot client to -- and it also needs to run flawlessly on every OS that any of those sims run on -- Windows, Mac, Linux, Ubuntu, whatever you can think of. I'm sure that won't be a problem though."

Add to that the fact that VATSIM is a global network and there is a whole world out there beyond the largely US/European audience on this forum who all have their own wants/needs/issues, such as limited internet connection bandwidth, for one: whilst I suspect most readers of this forum have largely forgotten (or may not have been born!) the days of ropey dial-up connections, for large swathes of the VATSIM membership across the world connection speed/bandwidth/stability is a real issue. It's easy when you're standing on the sidelines with a relatively cheap, rock-solid 300mbit connection to shout "oh well who cares, just get rid of them", but it's a lot more difficult to do that when it's your name that's going to go above that decision. The same goes for legacy sim/weird and wonderful OS support.

That's before you've thought about the policy issues (e.g. what the best way to make use of the new technology is - voice Unicom, for instance and how that sits with practical concerns (keep a single common frequency? Use different frequencies which would have to be looked up (ha!) by each pilot?) accessibility issues (what about deaf users?) and how it's policed (can't send a screenshot of an abusive voice transmission to a Supervisor), authentication. How the system as a whole works in a VATSIM environment (for instance: it's entirely technically possible to develop a system which would be a very close simulation of real-world VHF, with totally realistic terrain masking effects and so on. But how does that work in the VATSIM environment where unlike the real world there is often one controller on one frequency covering a very large area (perhaps 400+ NM in radius). Do you really want a situation where if you're on the ground you can't hear 80% of transmissions from other traffic on the frequency that might be airborne, or at another airfield 150nm away, or where you can't hear another aircraft on the other side of a mountain range even though the controller can hear all of you? Would that make the issue of people stepping on each other worse or better and would it make the overall environment worse or better?)

Many of these problems potentially require technological solutions/ramifications that need to be fed back in to the development, coded, tested, evaluated and refined, either on the voice system side itself, within the core network FSD code or within the pilot clients etc. If the guy who looks after FSD is on holiday for two weeks, or the guy who writes the code for one of the pilot clients has a really busy month at work and you need a change in one of those areas, you're stuck. It's not like a big corporation where you can demand everybody work to strict deadlines, it's a hobby and people's real careers, families etc take precedence.

Having said all of the above, from what I've seen things are progressing well. The system's come out of proof-of-concept and in to a 'production' phase, I think the test server is or will soon be replaced with a proper (VATSIM-controlled) server, small-scale tests are still running fairly regularly and the feedback from those is going back in to the development... it'll get there.

On 2/25/2019 at 8:19 PM, tooting said:

Id wager some of the founders of vatsim have got to be in their 70s they should let some young blood take over. 

You should probably check who runs the day-to-day business of VATSIM. Hint: it's not the founders.

On 2/25/2019 at 8:19 PM, tooting said:

. You've still got people at 30 west chatting away on a fictional 133 vhf channel giving position reports every 10 degrees. Its rilarious

I know you've got a long-standing thing about this. As I mentioned, Hoppie is there and in use for you and who knows, maybe in a later version of the voice codec we'll have an HF simulation with all its attendant fun.

However, in the meantime could you please get LM (and Laminar) to put HF radios in the sim that can be accessed through Simconnect/FSUIPC so that you can actually tune in to the HF frequencies? Thanks...

4 hours ago, skelsey said:

However, in the meantime could you please get LM (and Laminar) to put HF radios in the sim that can be accessed through Simconnect/FSUIPC so that you can actually tune in to the HF frequencies? Thanks...

Can you elaborate this a bit more? I might be able to pass on the suggestion to LM.

Regards,
Simbol