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I have never used POSCON and only really heard about it when watching some of the FSExpo streams.  Does anyone here use the network?  Any objective opinions?

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I heard about POSCON for the very first on my other thread.  Simbol mentioned it. 

 

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I don't think it is open yet. As far as I remember they were looking for alpha/beta testers who can fly during the FS Expo. I guess that's what you guys saw.

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Although It is BETA it is open and available, check https://poscon.net/

I meet their team in Vegas, things look very promising, the developer of Vpilot is supporting their network :wink:.

Regards,
S.

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POSCON was created by Andrew Heath, a full time commercial pilot and LONG (very long) time controller for the VATSIM New ARTCC.  OVPA is fully supporting and assisting with some elements on this new network.

Putting it in my words... POSCON is a completely new platform that was created over frustrations of getting VATSIM to move on updating the network. For those in the know, VATSIM has talked about upgrading, and though some work was done (not implemented) in my opinion though intentions of a few were really good it amounted to talk. POSCON took action, and created the new network from scatch.

Knowing some of the people involved, I believe this will be the one dominant network for online flying in a realism based environment.  Not that they launched with that goal, but the new tech is what makes it.

POSCON is not yet ready for prime time, but keep watching!

 

Best wishes.

 

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I went on their site, apparently they are doing some upgrades, so new creations are on hold.  Looking forward to signing up

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41 minutes ago, DaveCT2003 said:

POSCON was created by Andrew Heath, a full time commercial pilot and LONG (very long) time controller for the VATSIM New ARTCC.  OVPA is fully supporting and assisting with some elements on this new network.

Putting it in my words... POSCON is a completely new platform that was created over frustrations of getting VATSIM to move on updating the network. For those in the know, VATSIM has talked about upgrading, and though some work was done (not implemented) in my opinion though intentions of a few were really good it amounted to talk. POSCON took action, and created the new network from scatch.

Knowing some of the people involved, I believe this will be the one dominant network for online flying in a realism based environment.  Not that they launched with that goal, but the new tech is what makes it.

POSCON is not yet ready for prime time, but keep watching!

 

Best wishes.

 

That's all positive Dave, thanks for the info.  

What concerns me about 'another' network is the dilution of the current network of users.  Some will migrate, some won't  - and consequently you'll have a smaller number of users on each respective network, unless there is a solid uptake to POSCON.  I'm sure you'll agree as the head of OVPA that networks like VATSIM are a great experience only when there are higher volumes of traffic/users at any given time.

Are you able to share the additional benefits POSCON may offer.  VATSIM was at one stage talking about better voice CODECS

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4 minutes ago, ErichB said:

That's all positive Dave, thanks for the info.  

What concerns me about 'another' network is the dilution of the current network of users.  Some will migrate, some won't  - and consequently you'll have a smaller number of users on each respective network, unless there is a solid uptake to POSCON.  I'm sure you'll agree as the head of OVPA that networks like VATSIM are a great experience only when there are higher volumes of traffic/users at any given time.

Are you able to share the additional benefits POSCON may offer.  VATSIM was at one stage talking about better voice CODECS

I do indeed agree!

Many years ago an effort was made to bring IVAO and VATSIM together.  Much a disappointment to everyone, the VATSIM Founder(s) would not concede to sharing the source code for for the network, and without that there simply could be no merger and absolutely no progress made.

It is my hope that POSCON will bring VATSIM and IVAO users together and create a network that is significantly more active, and I've hung my hopes on that.

POSCON and it's new tech brings so many positives that I just can't see too many VATSIM pilots not moving over and I'm hoping the same will be true for IVAO pilots.

 

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3 minutes ago, DaveCT2003 said:

It is my hope that POSCON will bring VATSIM and IVAO users together and create a network that is significantly more active, and I've hung my hopes on that.

POSCON and it's new tech brings so many positives that I just can't see too many VATSIM pilots not moving over and I'm hoping the same will be true for IVAO pilots.

Well that would be a great day for network users.

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I watched a twitch stream and they were talking about POSCON buying out Vatsim, no idea if that has any weight to it?

Dont shoot me....just saying what a few were talking about. 

Rumours that’s all.

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49 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

I watched a twitch stream and they were talking about POSCON buying out Vatsim, no idea if that has any weight to it?

Dont shoot me....just saying what a few were talking about. 

Rumours that’s all.

never shooting, I just lost track of all the rumours, facts opinions etc 😛

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I went to Matt's channel, the $50,000 they are offering vatsim is for the stats of the current users on Vatsim.  I guess its a way of allowing people to leave the vatsim network and still keep all of their stats.

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19 hours ago, bgpearce01 said:

, the $50,000 they are offering vatsim is for the stats of the current users on Vatsim

Huh? Just for the stats, nothing else?
Then they must have some earning model in mind for the future. 
There is no way that POSON (or any such company) just burns $50.000 on a few stats, without having a plan to get those 50.000 back. 

My guess that is either through advertisements or subscriptions.

 

Luckily I live in Europe and those stats are bound to me personally. The new European GDPR dictates that I need to give consent that information is sold/shared/handed over to 3rd parties

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My guess:

  • Buy VATSIM
  • Shutdown VATSIM
  • Online flying will now be on POSCON
  • You need to pay to use POSCON
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Under GDPR rules Vatsim cannot sell any data for any European user without explicit consent.

S.

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15 minutes ago, Greggy_D said:

My guess:

  • Buy VATSIM
  • Shutdown VATSIM
  • Online flying will now be on POSCON
  • You need to pay to use POSCON

If they do that, Vatsim will go the way of the 8 track tape player. 

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If I offer Paris Hilton $50 to spend the night with me, it doesn't make her a hooker...well, not unless she accepts the offer. 

But a bunch of people, ignoring the obvious difference between a ridiculous and obscene offer and actual bargaining for an act of ill repute, will still talk about it...so the guy making the offer gets some cheap publicity. 

Just sayin'

 

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3 hours ago, Greggy_D said:

My guess:

  • Buy VATSIM
  • Shutdown VATSIM
  • Online flying will now be on POSCON
  • You need to pay to use POSCON

My first day at virgin many moons ago, branson came to our wings at the end of the course.  I had a chat with him and he told me his 2 favourite sayings. 

1. If it doesn't make money in a year try something else

2.theres no such thing as a free lunch. 

That was in 2000.

Davies is upto some tricks here. He's trying to make some money. Good luck to him. I'd happily pay a tenner a month to use an updated  network that had cpdlc, and good controllers. 

As much as he's not my cup of tea, I think he's quite a shwed business man

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/vatsim/permalink/10160779431215602/

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I'm aware many are waiting for a statement from VATSIM - we are aware of that pressure but you'll have to wait just a little longer I'm afraid: VATSIM is not owned or run by one person in one timezone and everyone involved has family and work commitments too. There will be a statement as soon as we are ready.

That said, I was wondering why I was receiving so many messages last night while I was out at dinner, with questions about something I had allegedly said yesterday, so I wanted to provide some clarity on that.

It seems FSElite have used a comment I made no less than 6 days ago, in response to Matt Davies on his Facebook page, to suggest that we had not heard anything from POSCON, and that this comment contradicted something Matt Davies had said.

First of all, to our knowledge, Matt Davies does not own POSCON. As far as we are aware he is a paid developer for them. So any communication from POSCON on something like an offer for a network would be unlikely to come from him.

Secondly, this comment was made 6 days ago in direct response to something Matt had said, totally unrelated to the widely reported offer from POSCON to a flight simulation network. As we all know, POSCON publically stated their intentions much more recently than this - less than 48 hours ago, in fact. 6 days ago there was no 'offer' on the table to any network that I'm aware of.

I have contacted FSElite and asked them to write a correction to reflect this. Lots of drama being made about something which has been reported incorrectly.

Thanks for reading.
Gunnar Lindahl

 

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Yikes quite the debate going with Vatsim users for and against. POSCON sounds good with its features and modernization but if a merge or buyout doesnt happen, we are looking at very thinned out networks as some from Vatsim, and IVAO will move over. Others will stay because they dont like change or the idea.  Something doesnt seem right.   An alleged offer of 50k, be it to buyout outright or just the data? How the heck is that money going to be repaid back? You dont invest 50k and not expect it back somehow. It says it will be free, but theres something else at play here. 

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lol, 

skip to 2 min into the interview 

 

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VATSIM is only promising things without doing something... This is a logical development of things. POSCON seems to be in early stages, if THEY do what they promise many people will change the platform. But the (hopefully near) future will tell. 

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