J van E

Anybody still playing Aerofly FS 2?

Anybody still playing Aerofly FS 2?  

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  1. 1. I wonder if there are any AVSIM'ers who are still playing Aerofly FS 2.

    • Yes, daily, it's my only sim!
    • Yes, daily, besides my other sim!
    • Yes, once a week!
    • Nah, once a month
    • Hm, well, sometimes when I feel like it
    • Not really, I am waiting for ATC but that'll still take a year or so
    • Not really, I do check for updates but nothing really happens
    • Not really, I don't even care for updates anymore
    • No, I own it but prefer my other sim because AFS2 is lacking too much
    • No, I own it but don't even have it installed
    • No, I gave up on it due to the slow progress and lack of features
    • No, I'll have a look at it again in a few years time
    • Aerofly FS 2 what...?


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Just wondering... Let me know if an option is missing. 😎

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@edpatino I edited the poll while you were voting: I hope your vote didn't end up in the wrong place...?

I myself voted for ' Not really, I am waiting for ATC but that'll still take a year or so' although I also could have voted for most of the options below it. I gave AFS2 another go this evening and was bored within no time. No ATC, no weather, easy planes, nothing to do but look out of the window... To make matters even worse: performance isn't as good as it used to be anymore: with TE Netherlands installed loading takes just as long, if not longer, than P3D and I get huge long stutters whenever scenery is being loaded, which I don't get in P3D. So that's one big advantage of AFS2 out of the window. But my main problem is the lack of options... it's just too boring. Perhaps I will fly it some more again whenever TE GB or TE PNW gets released though. I certainly will give ATC a try whenever that gets released. But other than that I am done with it for now. Progress really is way too slow. And P3D (with AS, ProATC, UTL, Majestic Q400, etc.) keeps me a lot more entertained!

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Hi Jeroen,

Good job on the poll, with lots of varying positions - hopefully this will help IPACS.

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52 minutes ago, J van E said:

@edpatino I edited the poll while you were voting: I hope your vote didn't end up in the wrong place...?

I myself voted for ' Not really, I am waiting for ATC but that'll still take a year or so' although I also could have voted for most of the options below it. I gave AFS2 another go this evening and was bored within no time. No ATC, no weather, easy planes, nothing to do but look out of the window... To make matters even worse: performance isn't as good as it used to be anymore: with TE Netherlands installed loading takes just as long, if not longer, than P3D and I get huge long stutters whenever scenery is being loaded, which I don't get in P3D. So that's one big advantage of AFS2 out of the window. But my main problem is the lack of options... it's just too boring. Perhaps I will fly it some more again whenever TE GB or TE PNW gets released though. I certainly will give ATC a try whenever that gets released. But other than that I am done with it for now. Progress really is way too slow. And P3D (with AS, ProATC, UTL, Majestic Q400, etc.) keeps me a lot more entertained!

In fact, it did. I voted for: "No, I gave up on it due to the slow progress and lack of features".

Cheers, Ed

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1 hour ago, edpatino said:

In fact, it did. I voted for: "No, I gave up on it due to the slow progress and lack of features".

Cheers, Ed

Okay, sorry about that. Can’t change it anymore but your vote is noted. 😉

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9 minutes ago, J van E said:

Okay, sorry about that. Can’t change it anymore but your vote is noted. 😉

No prob., thanks!.

Cheers, Ed

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1 minute ago, edpatino said:

No prob., thanks!.

Cheers, Ed

May I suggest another poll, but this time around at the IPACS forums?. The new poll subject would be to guess how many seconds will the poll last without being deleted by the moderator? 🤣

Just kidding!.

Cheers, Ed

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6 minutes ago, edpatino said:

May I suggest another poll, but this time around at the IPACS forums?. The new poll subject would be to guess how many seconds will the poll last without being deleted by the moderator? 🤣

Just kidding!.

Cheers, Ed

Completely right. I've actively followed AeroflyFS2 for some time and even did some promotion, mostly in German language fora. However, the attitude of the developers even towards their most active customers in conjunction with missing progress or even prospect of progress made me mostly give up on it. The developers may like it or not, but time does matter.

The fate of AeroflyFS2 is very sad, as it had a certain chance for a convincing third sim besides P3D and XP, if further developed properly. 

Kind regards, Michael

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Right now it kind of has a new life for me. The release of Dino Cattaneo's plane, as well as purchasing my 2080ti and the resultant supercharging of Aerofly in Vulkan allows me to comfortably fly in VR with 2.0'ss, which gives me lots of excuse to explore the sim anew.

It's just about the only sim I have that really enjoys the hell out of the card!

 

 

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2 hours ago, edpatino said:

May I suggest another poll, but this time around at the IPACS forums?. The new poll subject would be to guess how many seconds will the poll last without being deleted by the moderator? 🤣

Just kidding!.

Cheers, Ed

🧐

Even this poll would be deleted from the IPACS, because of the options and the results (so far) ....I'm not kidding.

The only poll allowed over there would be: "is AF2 a PC program - yes or no"...they would still likely get a lot of no's! 😂

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Hi,

I voted "No, I gave up on it due to the slow progress and lack of features".

In addition to ATC and the missing weather, the planes are really too simplistic and boring. It would have been better to do less but more elaborate. What bothers me behind all this is that on the plane level, I have the unpleasant feeling that they are not at all interested in including a little deeper systems, even they give the impression through what I have read on their forum, that they think that by doing so, it will attract a new clientele of simmers who are not accustomed to flight simulators....No problem with that but it's not my cup of tea!

I bought this simu in August, since then, I had to fly less than ten hours and I haven't touched it since 09/09/2018. I don't miss it. After trying it and buying one or two ORBX sceneries including Netherlands, after having shown it to my friends, neighbours and companion, it remains, alas, a very beautiful demonstration, nothing more. Really, what a shame!

Richard

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So far all screen shots I have seen for AeroflyFS2 look pretty, but even poor graphics and some ATC would serve well for certain interests while attractive scenery will serve well for others. I have no complaints I just have little interest in this sim in its current state of development. That is not to say it is not a perfect sim for someone else. 

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Wow, 32 votes... didn't expect that many, really! And I'm not kidding. The bad news (for IPACS) is that most of the voters lost interest in AFS2... Not surprising though. Makes you wonder how long AFS2/IPACS will survive without any major updates. I am sure the upcoming (?) R22 will make some people give AFS2 a spin again, but obviously one heli isn't enough to save the sim. At least not for AVSIM'ers: most of them want ATC, weather, traffic, etc. plus deeper systems. I wonder how a poll like this would do on Steam.

 

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I voted, sometimes when I feel like it, but I should have voted: 

 
  • No, I own it but prefer my other sim because AFS2 is lacking too much
I really believed that when companies like ORBX began developing for it, that it might make Ipac realise that maybe they should begin to take it serious. Make a couple of the planes with more in depth systems, some ai, ATC for those who like it, weather etc. 
For now it's only a sighthseeing simulator, which I enjoy once in a while.
 
 

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32 minutes ago, jlund said:

I really believed that when companies like ORBX began developing for it, that it might make Ipac realise that maybe they should begin to take it serious. Make a couple of the planes with more in depth systems, some ai, ATC for those who like it, weather etc.

I do think they take it serious but progress simply is too slow. They actually are working on more in depth systems but adding a few options for one or two planes once a year just isn't enough. And they are also actually working on ATC but that's taking years already and they just posted on Steam it won't be released anytime soon... And since they won't be working on weather (or even anything weather related like clouds or improved visibility options) before they finished ATC, well, you know it's going to take even more years before we get that! And to me personally weather is very important (as in: a flight sim without a weather engine isn't a flight sim).

I do enjoy AFS2 every now and then, like when I created the cold and dark mod for the Q400 or when TE Netherlands just had been released: it's a great sightseeing sim indeed, but that's not enough to keep me entertained. And since the things I like to see won't be added within a year or two, three, (four, five) I am not holding my breath for anything. As long as you can enjoy AFS2 for what it is now it's an okay sim but when you start thinking about things you'd like to see added you simply get frustrated and willing to give up on it completely.

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This is not an entirely new simulator. Aerofly FS 1 was released almost 6 years ago to the date. There also were some hopes at the time that it could blossom into a major competitor in the limited flightsim market. The lack of progress on FS2 is not surprising given the history.

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2 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said:

This is not an entirely new simulator. Aerofly FS 1 was released almost 6 years ago to the date. There also were some hopes at the time that it could blossom into a major competitor in the limited flightsim market. The lack of progress on FS2 is not surprising given the history.

True. However, AFS2 is seriously different from AFS1 so you could almost call it an entirely new sim. AFS2 didn't have a globe and nothing worked in the cockpit. Afaik a lot of AFS2 was build from scratch. AFS1 was more some kind of arcade game while AFS2 has some more sim qualities. But nevertheless, your point stands... There were hopes then and there are hopes now. As I posted before elsewhere I also wonder if IPACS isn't thinking about AFS3 already... I can't imagine them working on ATC alone for years, releasing it for free, and then start working on a weather engine, releasing that for free... It wouldn't surprise me if some of the things we want never will be part of AFS2. (Which btw wouldn't be weird or strange: just look at all the version MS FS had!)

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4 hours ago, J van E said:

I am sure the upcoming (?) R22

One of the ugliest helicopters around, of course, to my taste. Even if IPACS releases it this weekend I won't be too interested.

Cheers, Ed

 

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52 votes, well, I didn't even know that many AVSIM'ers were interested in AFS2. 😉 One thing is clear by now though: IPACS really needs to add some real simming stuff before people will get (seriously) interested (again). Until then the future looks a bit grim.

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I come entirely from a different perspective: I quit flightsimming when my XP box died and I couldn't be fussed shoehorning my beloved FS9.5 into WIN10.

(Yes, FS9.5 doesn't exist but the thing we had built up over the years looked nothing like out of the box!)

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/433016-fs-995-never-looked-so-good/?do=findComment&comment=2913018

SO what options? I detest FSX, P3D and all that word not allowed legacy code.
Don't like the look of XP11, and don't have the time to invest learning it and building it up, either.

This puts me in a special category, but I believe there are quite a few of us: we want a Quick Fly that looks great! Take a nice screenshot, maybe a little movie clip, and out.

And there's no denying there's plenty of great material to work with.

AFS2 does not cater for Hardcore flightsimmers, and never pretended to.
I find it disturbing to read constant negative comment about "No ATC, No This, No That" What, do you think IPACS don't know what's in the sim?

It is disheartening for a dev to hear constant bitching about what's NOT there, and distracts them from producing what Is Going to Be There. I know, because I've done some stuff over the years, and about all you get is some kiddie who has no clue about the skills and time involved, whining about "Why didn't you create a scenery of my house and an aeroplane that has my name on it? And runs on Playstation!"

My momma (OK someone's momma) always said:
"If you can't say something nice, don't say it at all"

If AFS2 doesn't satisfy you, move on, it's that simple.

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On 10/23/2018 at 11:33 PM, WingZ said:

If AFS2 doesn't satisfy you, move on, it's that simple.

Agree. AFS2 is for those who like to join in the journey. Not for those who just like the end of the line.

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On 10/23/2018 at 5:33 PM, WingZ said:

My momma (OK someone's momma) always said:
"If you can't say something nice, don't say it at all"

If AFS2 doesn't satisfy you, move on, it's that simple.

You need to listen to your mom, you're comments aren't very nice either.

This is an AF2 poll topic with specific options about how satisfied or unsatisfied one is.

It is totally ok to be unsatisfied with AF2 and to comment here about it in a civil, factual, and honest way. 

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2 hours ago, torium said:

AFS2 is for those who like to join in the journey.

P3D and XP users are on a journey as well correct? Regular updates, added features, through many years....

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On 10/19/2018 at 12:57 PM, J van E said:

I can't imagine them working on ATC alone for years, releasing it for free, and then start working on a weather engine, releasing that for free...

This is the main reason that I totally reject the business model that AF2 is following. 

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14 hours ago, torium said:

Agree. AFS2 is for those who like to join in the journey. Not for those who just like the end of the line.

I don't mind a journey but this one is taking a bit too long. Everyone knows IPACS doesn't say much about what they are doing but whenever they do, they often don't deliver. More than a year ago IPACS posted we would get a preview of ATC soon. More than a YEAR later there still hasn't been a preview and all they can say ATC won't be here anytime soon. A lot of simmers are waiting for the ATC while we don't even know what it will bring...! I think that when you get a bit annoyed by having to wait for over a year for just a preview you can't call that impatience or unjustified. 

On 10/23/2018 at 11:33 PM, WingZ said:

If AFS2 doesn't satisfy you, move on, it's that simple.

Problem here is that AFS2 does have parts that satisfy me so I don't really want to move on. I have to add though that some of those parts are getting weaker already... Take the fast loading times of AFS2: when I bought it I could be in a plane in 6 seconds. But recently, with newer scenery (like TE) it's taking a minute or so. Or take performance: the sim still is seriously smooth but the BIG PAUSES you get above TrueEarth or even Florida whenever scenery is being loaded is a serious immersion killer for me. The more I fly in AFS2, the more it annoys me and the less I like what AFS2 shows me. I really don't like flying over TE because of the stutters but I also don't like flying over the mediocre default scenery... so er... yes, well, maybe it IS time to move on LOL But seriously, those pauses aren't nice and I think they will only get worse whenever more options will be added. At this moment in time (but those who know me now that may change within an hour 😎) I wouldn't even reinstall AFS2 if I had to reinstall my PC. 

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