Flysimware Falcon 50 is out - Get'm while they're hot.

[ark 1,288]

17 hours ago, scottb613 said:

Hi Folks,

I don't get home until the weekend - just some thoughts about what I can't see from the images...

So - how does she fly - does Mark do his own FDE's ?

How are the sounds - new set - or recycled from the Lear - still TSS - hope so (huge fan)  ?

Are there bump maps included on the model ?

Are all the VC textures fully mapped (vs flood filled) at a reasonable resolution - so that we could draw paint chips - stains - shadow - etc - that breathe life into a VC ?

By all the hints we've seen around the forum - might want to start thinking about PBR ready textures - as they seem to be coming in P3Dv4 - not sure what that entails from the modeler...

Thanks...

Regards,
Scott

 

Hey Scott,

If you ever feel driven to add a little wear and tear to the VC panel that would be outstanding!!   😉

Al

[Stavros 295]

Not to push this too far, but regards to the Simavionics FMS, I realized it's a honeywell GNS-XLS and not a universal. However, I found that this unit has been retrofitted into real Falcon 50s so I'm curious of it's a sim limitation preventing it from being used? 

I'd be happy to test it out with the falcon and see if it works before you put any effort into it!

[Flysimware 647]

28 minutes ago, StAgre said:

Not to push this too far, but regards to the Simavionics FMS, I realized it's a honeywell GNS-XLS and not a universal. However, I found that this unit has been retrofitted into real Falcon 50s so I'm curious of it's a sim limitation preventing it from being used? 

I'd be happy to test it out with the falcon and see if it works before you put any effort into it!

My tech guy also explained a 3rd party FMS will most likely have no way to communicate with systems like fuel and payload. And most important autopilot. So you would end up with just navigation. There is no reason to add a 3rd party and create a 3D model and have no way to press buttons without the developer SDK kit. And we also do not have a multi functional display to display the flight plan.

i would recommend using it as a 2d panel as its intended.

Edited November 14, 2018 by Flysimware

[Stavros 295]

3 minutes ago, Flysimware said:

My tech guy also explained a 3rd party FMS will most likely have no way to communicate with systems like fuel and payload. And most important autopilot. So you would end up with just navigation. There is no need for use to add this 3D and have no way to press buttons. And we also do not have a multi functional display to display the flight plan.

Which is fine so i would recommend using it as a 2d panel.

Ah, well, thanks again, really appreciate it! 

[TheLurk 7]

to chime in here on what steve said....

the ISG gauges DO come with navigation displays that interface with their FMS variants, autopilot coupling is not an issue either since it just hooks into the heading mode of a particular plane when you want it to fly the programmed route, you essentially press a button and it takes over the heading mode, press the button again and it releases the heading mode etc.

I think the ISG gauges would be very much worth having, the developer, ernie alston, can help you with integration im sure

 

at any rate it would be a much more realistic and immersive addition compared to the GTN/GNS options since those are not found in any real Falcon 50s, not as primary nav anyway...which is what they're there for in this addon.

just my 2cts on the matter, i feel it might be wasted opportunity

[scottb613 1,186]

Hi Folks,

Yep - I can understand the desire for a full blown FMS and in an ideal world we would have it - but I can also understand the additional programming and work associated with such a device... I used Ernie's products for many years and retrofitted numerous aircraft in the 2D panel era...

I guess from my perspective - as a pilot - I just want to fly and navigate realistically - in the system - so as long as I can fly holds - RNAV approaches - and navigate properly - I'm not that stuck on what specific device is providing that functionality in the sim... To be fair - we kind of knew going in that this Falcon would be a GTN based navigation system...

Carenado's FMC solution is actually worse - as it's buggy - with extremely limited functionality - and you can't even do "Direct To" without blowing away any flight plan you have entered... So if you want to fly with any realistic ATC it's virtually impossible...

Given a choice between the two - I'd go with the GTN...

Just my 2 cents worth...

Regards,
Scott

Edited November 14, 2018 by scottb613

[TheLurk 7]

i mean sure but this isnt about carenado....its between a highly unrealistic setup vs a more plausible one... carenado has nothing to do with any of this

[ark 1,288]

2 hours ago, TheLurk said:

i mean sure but this isnt about carenado....its between a highly unrealistic setup vs a more plausible one... carenado has nothing to do with any of this

While admittedly not common, I don't think it is fair to call the FSW Falcon 50 dual GTN750 approach "highly unrealistic". A brief search showed there apparently are at least a few real Falcons out there with dual GTN750 installations:

http://www.southaire.com/1980-falcon-50-sn-8-n550ce.pdf

http://www.aircraftsender.com/clients/FlinnAviation/20160809/Falcon%2010%20sn%20167.pdf

And in another FSW thread someone posted a picture of a RW Lear35 with dual GTN750s. There are also other bizjets, such as the Citation, with a similar setup.

Regardless, it all comes down to personal preference. I happen to prefer the GTN750 approach. I have the PMDG 737 with FMCs, but I quickly tired of sitting there and watching the a/c fly itself. At least with the GTN750 I have to manage the VNAV and speed requirements during SIDs and STARs, etc. I happen to like that challenge. No one is forced to buy a simulation they won't enjoy flying. As they say, "to each his own".

Al

EDIT: FWIW, I have heard Mark (FSW) mention that at some point he might be interested in taking on the development of his own FMC. That of course is a major task, and as I think most here know, FSW is a one person company.  So I suppose the possibility of a future FMC for the Falcon 50 is not completely out of the question, but if that should ever happen, I don't expect it to be anytime soon.

Edited November 14, 2018 by ark

[Flysimware 647]

9 hours ago, TheLurk said:

to chime in here on what steve said....

the ISG gauges DO come with navigation displays that interface with their FMS variants, autopilot coupling is not an issue either since it just hooks into the heading mode of a particular plane when you want it to fly the programmed route, you essentially press a button and it takes over the heading mode, press the button again and it releases the heading mode etc.

I think the ISG gauges would be very much worth having, the developer, ernie alston, can help you with integration im sure

 

at any rate it would be a much more realistic and immersive addition compared to the GTN/GNS options since those are not found in any real Falcon 50s, not as primary nav anyway...which is what they're there for in this addon.

just my 2cts on the matter, i feel it might be wasted opportunity

Since we use custom mode buttons for the autopilot the heading hold mode button would tell the sim to not turn on the heading hold event. And the FMS would which would most likely cause a conflict. Also i know it includes a display but we do not have one made. Also we do not have a SDK kit to create 3D model for the VC. So again its best to not include this option. Also i wrong saying you could use it as a 2D. This will not work because of the autopilot conflict. So do not buy this for our aircraft. We would not want to suggest this and have issues.

[JRBarrett 3,034]

9 hours ago, TheLurk said:

at any rate it would be a much more realistic and immersive addition compared to the GTN/GNS options since those are not found in any real Falcon 50s, not as primary nav anyway...which is what they're there for in this addon.

Although the Universal UNS-1E is by far the most common FMS retrofit for the Falcon 50, there are several r/w Falcon 50s equipped with GTN-750 for Primary Nav. Here is a link to one currently for sale:

http://www.southaire.com/1980-falcon-50-sn-8-n550ce.pdf

Garmin holds STCs for equipping both the Falcon 50 and Falcon 20 with GTN kit, as well as installing a Garmin ADSB-out solution to meet the 2020 mandate.

[Stavros 295]

So did my first full flight in the falcon, noticed a couple things:

Hand flying is lovely, really does feel nice. Landing was smooth and the handling inspires confidence.

IAS Hold is finicky, you really have to be trimmed and stable to engage it or it oscillates like crazy.

She's a lot to manage, even during cruise if you aren't paying attention it's very easy to over/underspeed.

Thrust reverse - Holding F2 spools all 3 engines up despite only the number 2 having a reverser? not sure if this is a P3D thing or an aircraft thing.

All in all, though, it's a good aircraft. Autopilot nav mode is good, intercepting the ILS was painless, and overall behaved as expected. I just need more practice in non-A/T equipped jets 😄

[Flysimware 647]

28 minutes ago, StAgre said:

So did my first full flight in the falcon, noticed a couple things:

Hand flying is lovely, really does feel nice. Landing was smooth and the handling inspires confidence.

IAS Hold is finicky, you really have to be trimmed and stable to engage it or it oscillates like crazy.

She's a lot to manage, even during cruise if you aren't paying attention it's very easy to over/underspeed.

Thrust reverse - Holding F2 spools all 3 engines up despite only the number 2 having a reverser? not sure if this is a P3D thing or an aircraft thing.

All in all, though, it's a good aircraft. Autopilot nav mode is good, intercepting the ILS was painless, and overall behaved as expected. I just need more practice in non-A/T equipped jets 😄

Beta 2.5 is out and fixes the oscillation issue. We needed to add more elevator trim range so it can adjust faster. So you will see its spot on now.

Also read the manual under the keys section. We include a custom assignment for your joystick so you can set the #2 thrust reverser once you land since its too hard to reach and look at the throttles.

F2 is a no no because flight sim can't allow only 1 reverser from the aircraft.cfg. Hope this info helped.

[Cool 27]

Hi,

To install the new version, do we have to uninstall the previous one?

[Flysimware 647]

47 minutes ago, Cool said:

Hi,

To install the new version, do we have to uninstall the previous one?

Technically no. But we always suggest to anyways. 

[Cool 27]

1 minute ago, Flysimware said:

Technically no. But we always suggest to anyways. 

Ok, will do so 😉