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9900K for $850?

7900X for $1300?

Did Intel just announce some massive shortage of CPUs or did one of their fabs go offline?  That's considerably more than what I purchased these CPUs for.

Cheers, Rob.

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Time for people's eyes to wander back toward AMD?

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Hmmm ... AMD 2950X, disable 8 cores, bump up from 4.4 to 5.2 Ghz?  That might help the single thread performance but I don't have much experience with overclocking AMD 2950X so not sure if 5.2Ghz is possible with a chiller?

I must admit, I had written AMD off, but it's single thread performance is pretty darn close ...

https://techreport.com/review/33987/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x-cpu-reviewed/4

Cheers, Rob.

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19 minutes ago, Rob Ainscough said:

Hmmm ... AMD 2950X, disable 8 cores, bump up from 4.4 to 5.2 Ghz?  That might help the single thread performance but I don't have much experience with overclocking AMD 2950X so not sure if 5.2Ghz is possible with a chiller?

I must admit, I had written AMD off, but it's single thread performance is pretty darn close ...

https://techreport.com/review/33987/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x-cpu-reviewed/4

Cheers, Rob.

I think that exactly what you are saying is why we see these 9900Ks out there already. It just has that released to soon feel for several reasons and was not completely ready for prime time. There very well may be a shortage of parts but as you have seen, the 8086K and 8700K are right there in the ball park for performance. For what ever reason I think this release has way more to do with marketing than a "new" product and they are just betting on the come with hopes that we will all forget about it soon.

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What the heck???? Cali is on fire and your worried about the stock market?????   All kidding aside ....3 miles visibility here in San Jose ....worst day yet, and we've had some bad days since the Camp fire started..

Anyway, back on topic. Funny thing is earlier today Central had both the boxed and tray 9900k in stock at $569 and $525 respectively. Checking prices and stock now right now, the boxed is still listed at $569 but "out-of-stock" with the tray version in stock but at $549.

 

Anyway, somebody pass me the bottle of oxygen.

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Yeah, not sure what the real deal is with Intel, they keep denying they have problems but the shortage seems very real given these prices.

But ... AMD 2950X ... lots of PCIe Gen 3 lanes, 40MB CPU cache, quad channel DDR4 support ... can they be OC's to 5+Ghz?  From what I've seen no, unless it's LN2 which is not practical.

Cheers, Rob.

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3 minutes ago, FunknNasty said:

3 miles visibility here in San Jose

Yeah, I had to get a couple of masks for my 86 year old mother ... smoke has irritated my throat to no end and messed up my voice (again).  Lawsuits have been filed against PG&E for improper maintenance of power lines. 

If anyone is thinking of making this political, don't, 48 dead people and counting (100's still missing and many elderly).

NewEgg prices just skyrocketed for anything with i9 in front of it.

Cheers, Rob.

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I don't understand.  Shortage?  But electronic  local stores haven't even received any 9900K or 9700K. So, when was it ever released? Or will be? 

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Stay safe California people.  Andy chance of you guys being evacuated? 

 

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11 hours ago, Rob Ainscough said:

Hmmm ... AMD 2950X, disable 8 cores, bump up from 4.4 to 5.2 Ghz?  That might help the single thread performance but I don't have much experience with overclocking AMD 2950X so not sure if 5.2Ghz is possible with a chiller?

I must admit, I had written AMD off, but it's single thread performance is pretty darn close ...

https://techreport.com/review/33987/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x-cpu-reviewed/4

Cheers, Rob.

Was about to suggest that as listed here in the UK, Rob, in the current Custom PC mag £800 RRP

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its called holiday season prep. --- they raise the price now to look like its discounted later for black friday - don't be fooled people!

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I managed to get 8086K for less than the 8700K, which was still around 600 USD. 

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Its very messed up. Here in Europe, and specifically Switzerland where CHF equals USD, just about everyone is out of stock with some thin exceptions, and stock is marked as expected in 2-4 weeks. Even the 8700k s are low or out of stock and even cost  a chunk more than the 9700k!  

These sounds like something from Intel that was done "Accidentally on purpose"  to drive up price.  If AMD had a killer CPU single core and higher frequency, together with their excellent multicore, they would have really been able to take advantage of this market. 

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37 minutes ago, Johnny19 said:

I managed to get 8086K for less than the 8700K, which was still around 600 USD. 

Glad I nailed the 8086k as soon as it came out!

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Not being political but according to the CEO of ASUS. Our leader's (Trump) Tarrifs are to blame. Just saying in my first year of Business school I learned dozens of reasons why Tarrifs are a bad thing and only hurt local economy and the consumer.. yet he chose that path....

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I mean that’s literally what tariffs do — raise end-consumer prices of anything imported — by design. So not really a surprise, right?

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Stick to "Tariffs" and this could survive not being a political topic (even though I understand it's unavoidable since Tariffs are political in nature) ... if we avoid using names/entities this topic might survive.  This article suggest a more complex situation relative to Tariffs:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/will-tariffs-raise-pc-prices,37839.html

I think in this case it might be a combination of both Tariffs and Intel shortages ... but if you read the Article, it might explain why AMD seems less impacted.

2 hours ago, HighTowers said:

If AMD had a killer CPU single core and higher frequency, together with their excellent multicore, they would have really been able to take advantage of this market.

Take a look at some of the single thread results for the AMD 2950X, it's pretty impressive even at it's stock clock speeds: 

https://techreport.com/review/33987/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x-cpu-reviewed/4

for gaming it's still behind the 8086K @ 5Ghz ... but if the 2950X could be OC better ... the additional PCIe lanes would probably put the 2950X as a better option for multi-GPU

https://techreport.com/review/33987/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x-cpu-reviewed/12

The 9900K still appears to be top dog on the gaming front

https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-core-i9-9900k-amd-ryzen-7-2700x-updated-benchmarks#nn-graph-sheet-far-cry-5

(I think PC Games have a typo, should be 7900X not 9900X)

We do need competition.  I hope AMD can bring a little more to the table, because it's getting pretty close now ... if I needed a single PC with multiple GPUs that could do gaming and rendering well, I must admit, I'd probably pick the AMD 2950X and it's price is still $900 and no shortages and seems to be unaffected by Tariffs.

Cheers, Rob.

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The shortages aside, I'm not sure that $950 price for a 9900K (all from affiliated resellers) on Newegg is meaningful...it's just a bunch of online scalpers, really.  A few weeks ago Newegg had a price tag of $1900 on some eVGA 2080Ti cards that were out of stock and still listed on eVGA's own site in the $1200-1300 range.  The prices have come back down on Newegg's site, but still no stock there.

It's gonna be a lean holiday season for the computer retailers at this rate.

 

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At first Intel was saying the shortage was a result of the growth (not decline) in Desktop computing which caught them by surprise.  Now it seems more clear they want Notebook/laptop and Server segments and are will to give up the Desktop segment to AMD ... low yields from desktop CPUs is cutting into profit (probably the real reason drop priority of desktop CPUs).

AMD are apparently pleased with this series of events and expect to gain 30% CPU market share.  So putting on my forecasting hat and expect to see top tier desktop performance coming from AMD Ryzen 7 2800X?  Lots of speculation about the 2800X, but nothing material and lots of fake pics/benchmarks.  Should be interesting, lots lined up for AMD in 2019 ... perhaps we're going to see a shift in the king/queen of desktop CPUs?

Cheers, Rob.

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2 hours ago, Rob Ainscough said:

Should be interesting, lots lined up for AMD in 2019 ... perhaps we're going to see a shift in the king/queen of desktop CPUs?

I sure hope so and if you are a flight simmer who has any input to the purchase of either a home computer or business computer now would be a good time to push every purchase you can over to AMD. For years now Intel and Nvidia have stolen every penny they could with their slow leak of upgrades. Same goes for that bunch that makes eye-phones. There is no more here here. There is no shortage of product. They have just plain run out of tiny little tweaks for more power to feed us dummies and I am one too. That is why they came up with this silly idea of RTX....it's called bait and switch. As we are starting to see, for the couple of game makers who can even figure out how to sort of get it to work, you give up half the performance of your computers. 

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Intel and Nvidia have squeezed all they can out of the 14nm chips at the cost of heat and they have no ware else to go, and the 10 nm is still some way off, AMD could have a big 2019.   

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