November 18, 20187 yr So in the progress of choosing a new CPU for P3d. I hear a lot about the 8700k, 8086k, and 9900k. All these are HT equipped. From my understanding of HT and P3d wouldn’t a processor like the 9600k and 9700k have the same performance for a better price? U can pick up a 9600k for $250 right now. Why pay the premium price if it is not needed? Or am I missing something? Matt Wilson
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November 18, 20187 yr Author 11 minutes ago, HiFlyer said: Interesting results. Quite a bit closer then I thought it would be. The 9600K looks like a very good value. This raises a question. Would the two extra cores of the 9700K be any benefit over the 9600K in P3d? Matt Wilson
November 19, 20187 yr 40 minutes ago, mpw8679 said: Interesting results. Quite a bit closer then I thought it would be. The 9600K looks like a very good value. This raises a question. Would the two extra cores of the 9700K be any benefit over the 9600K in P3d? Somebody more familiar with P3D would have to answer, but my own experience makes me suspect single core performance is more important. We are all connected..... To each other, biologically...... To the Earth, chemically...... To the rest of the Universe atomically. Devons rig Intel Core i5 13600K @ 5.1GHz / G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series Ram 64GB / GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 Ti GAMING OC 12G Graphics Card / Sound Blaster Z / Meta Quest 2 VR Headset / Klipsch® Promedia 2.1 Computer Speakers / ASUS ROG SWIFT PG279Q ‑ 27" IPS LED Monitor ‑ QHD / 1x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB / 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB / 1x Samsung - 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe / 1x Samsung 980 NVMe 1TB / 2 other regular hd's with up to 10 terabyte capacity / Windows 11 Pro 64-bit / Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX Motherboard LGA 1700 DDR5
November 19, 20187 yr 58 minutes ago, mpw8679 said: Interesting results. Quite a bit closer then I thought it would be. The 9600K looks like a very good value. This raises a question. Would the two extra cores of the 9700K be any benefit over the 9600K in P3d? I think someone's gonna have to try it out to see. I am a bit put off by the lower per-core L3 cache (the 8-core 9700K has the same 12MB of L3 as the hexacore 9600K/8700K/8086K CPUs), and the possibility based on early overclocking results that the extra heat from the 8-core CPU would depress top-end clock speed to get those extra cores in play. So the question that I have is whether or not loss of ~300MHz of overclocking top-end is a worthwhile trade for an additional two cores sharing the same cache. There are reasonable theories either way...this one will have to be resolved in the field, I think. Regards Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
November 19, 20187 yr Author 1 hour ago, w6kd said: I think someone's gonna have to try it out to see. I am a bit put off by the lower per-core L3 cache (the 8-core 9700K has the same 12MB of L3 as the hexacore 9600K/8700K/8086K CPUs), and the possibility based on early overclocking results that the extra heat from the 8-core CPU would depress top-end clock speed to get those extra cores in play. So the question that I have is whether or not loss of ~300MHz of overclocking top-end is a worthwhile trade for an additional two cores sharing the same cache. There are reasonable theories either way...this one will have to be resolved in the field, I think. Regards U bring up a good point regarding the cache. I was unaware of that Matt Wilson
November 19, 20187 yr I am waiting for my new 9700K, I will share my experience next week when i get it. Ramon De Valencia AMD 9950X3D / 64GB DDR5 6000MHz / RTX 5090 / 1200 watt PSU MSFS 2020 and 2024
November 19, 20187 yr Author 9 hours ago, ttbq1 said: I am waiting for my new 9700K, I will share my experience next week when i get it. Thank u! What motherboard did u go with? Matt Wilson
November 19, 20187 yr I have a 9700k clocked at 5.0Ghz on all cores. I upgraded from an i7-4770k clocked to 4.4Ghz. I didn't do any head to head benchmarks but my system has never ran so well. I went with the Gigabyte Z390 Ultra. Tim Curtis MSFS2020, i7-9900k 5.0Ghz, 32GB Ram, Nvidia 3080, 48" LG OLED CX
November 19, 20187 yr Author 57 minutes ago, Taver said: I have a 9700k clocked at 5.0Ghz on all cores. I upgraded from an i7-4770k clocked to 4.4Ghz. I didn't do any head to head benchmarks but my system has never ran so well. I went with the Gigabyte Z390 Ultra. That would be a pretty substantial upgrade from a 4770k Matt Wilson
November 19, 20187 yr 3 hours ago, Taver said: I have a 9700k clocked at 5.0Ghz on all cores. I upgraded from an i7-4770k clocked to 4.4Ghz. I didn't do any head to head benchmarks but my system has never ran so well. I went with the Gigabyte Z390 Ultra. I‘m thinking about doing the exact same upgrade. I‘m currently on a 4770K @ 4.5 GHz. If you could give some insight into the performance difference that you are seeing, it would be highly appreciated. Edited November 19, 20187 yr by carlito777 [email protected] ∣ Asus ROG Strix B650E-E ∣ 64Gb@6000MT ∣ NVidia 5090 FE
November 19, 20187 yr 3 hours ago, Taver said: I have a 9700k clocked at 5.0Ghz on all cores. I upgraded from an i7-4770k clocked to 4.4Ghz. I didn't do any head to head benchmarks but my system has never ran so well. I went with the Gigabyte Z390 Ultra. Good to know. Ordered the same MB and CPU. Upgrade from a 6700k. My bottleneck will now be the GTX1070. CYVR LSZH I7-14700k 64gb 6000Mhz DDR5 ASUS z690 ROG STRIX Gaming RTX 4080 Super,
November 20, 20187 yr I am also looking at the 9600K. On paper, it checks a lot of boxes: No HT, high single thread performance, 6 cores, and it's rather light on the bank account. I'm still gathering the hardware, so I would really appreciate any reports from those who are already there! Best regards, Dimitrios 9950X3D - 64 GB - RX 7900 XTX - TrackIR - Power-LC M39 WQHD - Honeycomb Alpha yoke, Saitek pedals & throttles in a crummy home-cockpit - MSFS for props, P3D for jets
November 21, 20187 yr On 11/19/2018 at 12:46 PM, carlito777 said: I‘m thinking about doing the exact same upgrade. I‘m currently on a 4770K @ 4.5 GHz. If you could give some insight into the performance difference that you are seeing, it would be highly appreciated. I am seeing improvement in minimum frame rates in heavily populated areas with a lot of plane traffic. To be transparent I still have FPS issues with one plane the A2A Connie. It is only on take off and landing but even that is better on the new system. (I don't know why that plane has always given me so many FPS issues.) Planes like the default Carenado Bonanza runs like a dream in all situations such as never dipping below 40 FPS over KSEA in heavy cloud cover and rain. I run max everything except Shadows on high and the following Scenery Object settings: Scenery Complexity: Max Autogen draw distance: Max Autogen vegetation density: Very high Autogen building density: Off Tim Curtis MSFS2020, i7-9900k 5.0Ghz, 32GB Ram, Nvidia 3080, 48" LG OLED CX
November 21, 20187 yr Author Ended up ordering a 9600k bundle from NewEgg for $425. Comes with a Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro WiFi. I really wanted to try the 9700k but I refuse to pay Intels ridiculous prices. Edited November 21, 20187 yr by mpw8679 Matt Wilson
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