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FSDT's KJFKv2

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Last night I was attempting a flight emanating from FSDT's KJFKv2 which I have, but could not locate a single Heavy gate for the PMDG 747-8i. The drop-down choices, unlike other airports I have flown from in the -8i, are all vaguely named GA Ramp Large, or Small, or whatever, no proper gate demarcation say like UK2000's EGCC or EGLL. But when I select anything with the word 'large' in it, I get shunted to an apron with loads of other smaller aircraft around, not to a gate I want, as in the case of the pax version -8i. Ad then GSX----again another FSDT product----pops up with a red flag 'blah-blah..............too small for this aircraft'.

Anyone any ideas how to actually locate a heavy gate at KJFKv2?

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Rick,

BA use Terminal 7. You should be able to find a couple of large gates there. I agree the naming policy is ridiculous. It's done apparently to stop default airport vehicles encroaching. I don't see that problem at UK2000 airports though.

I just wish someone would supply an alternative AFCAD with correctly named gate sizes.

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10 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Rick,

BA use Terminal 7. You should be able to find a couple of large gates there. I agree the naming policy is ridiculous. It's done apparently to stop default airport vehicles encroaching. I don't see that problem at UK2000 airports though.

I just wish someone would supply an alternative AFCAD with correctly named gate sizes.

Thanks for that Ray.

Precisely. If a small developer like Gary can get the gates nomenclatured properly, why can't others.

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39 minutes ago, vc10man said:

Anyone any ideas how to actually locate a heavy gate at KJFKv2?

I had this problem too which is easy to change in the GSX menu (in SIM) and simply charge the Parking size to match your current aircraft wing span. And then just return to those gates you’ve modified the next time your go to JFK. At least GSX will work with your airplane.

However if you want to change the drop down gate selection wording to “heavy” from the SIM start up page you’ll need to use a 3rd party AFCAD editor tool. 

As Ray said there’s a reason the developer chooses to do it that way, another example is some 3rd party airports name all parking spots as RAMP rather than a GATE. My understanding is that AI airplanes will first look for a GATE before being assigned another parking spot. So yes all a bit strange. 

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25 minutes ago, Iceman2 said:

easy to change in the GSX menu (in SIM) and simply charge the Parking size to match your current aircraft wing span

Thank you for your suggestion, but that method am already au fait with. But what good is that when I am taken to a stand with several smaller Delta Ai aircarft like bees around the -8i? Point is, despite selecting SW Parking, thinking it'd take me to a Heavy gate, instead, I got taken to under a canopy. What? Canopy boarding for a pax flight? Never seen that in R/L never mind in a sim!

25 minutes ago, Iceman2 said:

However if you want to change the drop down gate selection wording to “heavy” from the SIM start up page you’ll need to use a 3rd party AFCAD editor tool. 

25 minutes ago, Iceman2 said:

At least GSX will work with your airplane.

Now you are talking, thanks. Can you kindly recommend such an Afcad Editing tool, please?

Agree there.

 

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1 hour ago, vc10man said:

Can you kindly recommend such an Afcad Editing tool, please?

Scruffy Duck ADE is what you need Rick. http://www.scruffyduck.org/airport-design-editor/4584106799

It's a bit complex to setup as you need to install the P3D SDK and then point ADE to it. But I'm sure a man of your skill will work it out.

You don't change the AFCAD you're working on. You generate your own and then rename the original to bg# so it's not picked up.

I created a new folder containing all my corrected BGLs and placed then in D:\P3D\Addon Scenery\Corrections\Scenery.

Then place it at the top of the pile in scenery library so it takes precedence over everything else.

Your newly created BGL is placed on the C drive in a Projects folder buried in the ADE structure. You copy (or move) that to the Corrections\Scenery folder.

Hope that helps.

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Ray, not only are you a genius, but oh so helpful here. As they say in Espana, Muchas Gracias, or in my own lingo, Muito Obrigado Amigo. Your assistance here has set me on the way. Will do all when I get home tonight.

Once more,👏

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3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Scruffy Duck ADE is what you need Rick. http://www.scruffyduck.org/airport-design-editor/4584106799

It's a bit complex to setup as you need to install the P3D SDK and then point ADE to it. But I'm sure a man of your skill will work it out.

You don't change the AFCAD you're working on. You generate your own and then rename the original to bg# so it's not picked up.

I created a new folder containing all my corrected BGLs and placed then in D:\P3D\Addon Scenery\Corrections\Scenery.

Then place it at the top of the pile in scenery library so it takes precedence over everything else.

Your newly created BGL is placed on the C drive in a Projects folder buried in the ADE structure. You copy (or move) that to the Corrections\Scenery folder.

Hope that helps.

I augmented AFCADS all the time, but I gave up doing it with FSDT airports. Besides the fact that I shouldn't have to augment their products to make them operate properly, I gave up because every time something updates in the FSDT ecosystem it checks your airports to make sure you have an updated AFCAD. It will deactivate the one you created and replace it with the original crappy one. When ever this happens you have to go through all of your FSDT scenery, delete the FSDT ones and reactivate the one you created. It is a pain to do this when you have all of their scenery. I just wish they would create AFCADS that are accurate AND operate properly from the beginning, and since they have a mechanism for doing live updates, they should also update them with accurate parking codes periodically. I never figures they would change this process, because every time I mention it Umberto insists that it is a non issue. Since I quit playing with their AFCADS a while ago, let me know if this is no longer an issue.

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the FSDT gate names are highly annoying to me.  

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4 minutes ago, duckbilled said:

I augmented AFCADS all the time, but I gave up doing it with FSDT airports. Besides the fact that I shouldn't have to augment their products to make them operate properly, I gave up because every time something updates in the FSDT ecosystem it checked your airports to make sure you have an updated AFCAD. It will deactivate the one you created and replace it with the original crappy one. When ever this happens you have to go through all of your FSDT scenery, delete the word not allowed ones and reactivate the one you created. It is a pain to do this when you have all of their scenery. I just wish they would create AFCADS that are accurate AND operate properly from the beginning, and since they have a mechanism for doing live updates, they should also update them with accurate parking codes periodically. I never figures they would change this process, because every time I mention it Umberto insists that it is a non issue. Since I quit playing with their AFCADS a while ago, let me know if this is no longer an issue.

Just in time, on home PC, about to start that that tip by Ray, till I read your post.What a total waste of time and energy re: FSDT airports. Grr-rr! No wonder Umberto wants to avoid the issue. That's done it for me. Bin their KJFKv2. I have tons more to enjoy the 747-8i from. Thanks for that heads-up.

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1 hour ago, vc10man said:

Just in time, on home PC, about to start that that tip by Ray, till I read your post.What a total waste of time and energy re: FSDT airports. Grr-rr! No wonder Umberto wants to avoid the issue. That's done it for me. Bin their KJFKv2. I have tons more to enjoy the 747-8i from. Thanks for that heads-up.

It is a waste of time, but it is always possible that Umberto changed the process. I'd give it a shot with JFK, and see what happens.. Learning how to use ADE is a great skill to have in your toolbox, because a lot of other developers get really lazy when it comes to producing accurate and efficient AFCADS.

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Has anyone tried the DRZEWIECKI DESIGN JFK by comparison?

 

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13 minutes ago, Midnight Music said:

Has anyone tried the DRZEWIECKI DESIGN JFK by comparison?

 

It doesn’t look as good as FSDT JFK. 

Yoi can use ADE and look around to see which gates are bigger and click on that circle to find the parking number of it. Then fire up your sim and look for that numbered spot in the menu for start point. It’s annoying but the only work around. Look for JFK charts and find where the heavy spots are and you can edit them in ADE. I’ve updated my Flightbeam ksfo afcad to reflect all the correct parking spots as well as the Juliet taxiway that has been closed recently. It’s not hard once you start playing around with ADE.

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1 hour ago, duckbilled said:

I gave up because every time something updates in the FSDT ecosystem it checks your airports to make sure you have an updated AFCAD. It will deactivate the one you created and replace it with the original crappy one.

Really? It will delete the one I created and placed in my custom folder? Hmmm, are you sure? If you keep the name of yours the same and in the same folder I agree it will probably be deleted but if you place it elsewhere I don't see how it can.

You'd still need to rename the extension of the new one so it wasnt picked up as a BGL but that's a 2 second job. Annoying I know and there really should be an alternative with the properly named gates.

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12 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Really? It will delete the one I created and placed in my custom folder? Hmmm, are you sure? If you keep the name of yours the same and in the same folder I agree it will probably be deleted but if you place it elsewhere I don't see how it can.

As long as the afcad has the SAME name it will not be automatically deleted, you are prompted as to whether to replace it.

I have several modified in this way.

Should you use your own file name then the file is deleted as it is not a recognized FSDT file.

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@srcooke, Stephen, my own will have a different name and location. That should ensure they remain untouched. Surely?

I haven’t done my own JFK yet. Too much work and I know where the BA terminal is so can find my own way.

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In a separate location your files will be fine.

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4 minutes ago, srcooke said:

In a separate location your files will be fine.

As I suspected. 😀

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1 hour ago, Midnight Music said:

Has anyone tried the DRZEWIECKI DESIGN JFK by comparison?

 

Yes I have both. I didn’t like the ground textures in the fsdt version so currently have the DD version installed. While the dd version isn’t incredible, The fsdt version looked very dated to me 

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I keep a spreadsheet database with known good parking spots for different type acft (pax small/medium/heavy, cargo medium/heavy) which gets updated each time I customize a parking spot in GSX.  Typically when starting a flight, I first look to see if there's a spot that I've already set-up for the acft type, and if so, I plan on using that.  Same for the destination.  If not, then I use ADE to find one or more candidates, fire up the sim, and go there to check that everything fits and do a quick parking spot customization in GSX, and then annotate that in the spreadsheet for future use.

When I do start at a known spot that I've already customized, I start the scenario on the runway, then use GSX to warp me to the desired spot, which puts me exactly in place on the spot in reach of the jetway with all the GSE parked properly.  And GSX allows you to specify the parking spot size (for your acft, not for AI) overriding the ADE, so a spot that's got a 35m radius defined in the ADE that won't allow a 38m B747-8 can be set to 38m in GSX, allowing it to park you there.

I find this especially necessary for jumbos like the 744/777 and most especially the 748, as many parking spots that appear to be big enough in the ADE turn out to be sticking a wing through a building or parked with the nose embedded in the terminal, etc.

At places I frequent, I sometimes use ADE to mod the parking spots I've customized in the airport file, setting the radius to 5m so that P3D doesn't park AI there, in effect leaving it always available for me (since GSX will override the spot size for me and support me parking there).

Regards

 

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2 hours ago, duckbilled said:

I gave up because every time something updates in the FSDT ecosystem it checks your airports to make sure you have an updated AFCAD. It will deactivate the one you created and replace it with the original crappy one. When ever this happens you have to go through all of your FSDT scenery, delete the FSDT ones and reactivate the one you created. It is a pain to do this when you have all of their scenery.

 

2 hours ago, vc10man said:

Just in time, on home PC, about to start that that tip by Ray, till I read your post.What a total waste of time and energy re: FSDT airports. Grr-rr! No wonder Umberto wants to avoid the issue. That's done it for me. Bin their KJFKv2. I have tons more to enjoy the 747-8i from. Thanks for that heads-up.

 

37 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Really? It will delete the one I created and placed in my custom folder? Hmmm, are you sure? If you keep the name of yours the same and in the same folder I agree it will probably be deleted but if you place it elsewhere I don't see how it can.

 

23 minutes ago, srcooke said:

As long as the afcad has the SAME name it will not be automatically deleted, you are prompted as to whether to replace it.

I have several modified in this way.

Should you use your own file name then the file is deleted as it is not a recognized FSDT file.


Quoting you all only so that you can see this comment from Umberto himself on the FSDT forum on how to avoid live updates changing files:
 

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Create a file named DONTUPDATE in any folder you want to prevent from being updated, so the Live Update will skip it. It's not recursive so, if you have a sub-folder inside that you want to exclude from updating too, you must create another DONTUPDATE file there as well.

The file doesn't have to contain anything, it can be an empty text file, the only things that matters is that is called DONTUPDATE with NO extension (no .TXT extension, for example)


How you achieve this no extension (in case you don't already know) is to open Notepad and save the blank file using Save As with the name "DONTUPDATE". Use the quote marks in the file name to prevent a file suffix from being added.
Place this file in every folder that you don't want the Live Updater to touch.

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Thanks for that insight F737NG.

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28 minutes ago, F737NG said:

How you achieve this no extension (in case you don't already know) is to open Notepad and save the blank file using Save As with the name "DONTUPDATE". Use the quote marks in the file name to prevent a file suffix from being added.
Place this file in every folder that you don't want the Live Updater to touch.

Cool. I wasn't aware that we could do that. Still, it would be a lot nicer if they were correct from the beginning.

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25 minutes ago, duckbilled said:

t would be a lot nicer if they were correct from the beginnin

++1 with you on this.

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The major problem with placing your own ade/afcads in their own folder is that you are creating duplicates which will introduce all sorts of AI and also visual anomolies. The sim will still read and use those placed at a lower priority. With the FSDT airports and the live update issue, it's best to use the same filenames so that live update asks you if you want to update the airport file. 

Also for user parking positions, you can just use GSX to rename or resize spots to fit your aircraft, then there's no need to use ADE if you don't want to. Once completed you don't even need to reboot the sim to see your work, just restart couatl and your edits will be in.

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