I don't understand all this heated discussion about the SDK.  MS has already stated the SDK is a vital tool for 3rd party developers and will appear along with Tech Alpha or shortly thereafter. They have also stated that the SDK will be included at launch. However, they admit that it will need to be "polished" over time.

What makes anyone think that some developers don't already have a preliminary version and are under NDA? MS has stated they have been speaking with developers for a while.

 

Please be aware that this is the merge of two topics on the SDK.   

2 minutes ago, 188AHC said:

I don't understand all this heated discussion about the SDK.  MS has already stated the SDK is a vital tool for 3rd party developers and will appear along with Tech Alpha or shortly thereafter. They have also stated that the SDK will be included at launch. However, they admit that it will need to be "polished" over time.

What makes anyone think that some developers don't already have a preliminary version and are under NDA? MS has stated they have been speaking with developers for a while.

 

Do you say that Developpers are lready part of MS Project AND "using/developping with" the SDK? Because that is the only thing I think will be usefull.  

1 minute ago, 188AHC said:

What makes anyone think that some developers don't already have a preliminary version and are under NDA? MS has stated they have been speaking with developers for a while.

I've been saying this all along!  The tools and documentation to build any content for the sim HAS to exist before that content can be built.  Those tools and documentation comprise the SDK.  

I think people are confusing the product with the box it comes in.  

Any published SDK will be updated every time there is an update to the sim that affects it.  It will continue to be "polished" as long as the sim is in production.

Hook

5 minutes ago, 188AHC said:

I don't understand all this heated discussion about the SDK.  MS has already stated the SDK is a vital tool for 3rd party developers and will appear along with Tech Alpha or shortly thereafter. They have also stated that the SDK will be included at launch. However, they admit that it will need to be "polished" over time.

What makes anyone think that some developers don't already have a preliminary version and are under NDA? MS has stated they have been speaking with developers for a while.

 

Some current developers are seriously concerned at this stage 

Edited October 1, 20196 yr by ErichB

7 minutes ago, LHookins said:

I've been saying this all along!  The tools and documentation to build any content for the sim HAS to exist before that content can be built.  Those tools and documentation comprise the SDK.  

I think people are confusing the product with the box it comes in.  

Any published SDK will be updated every time there is an update to the sim that affects it.  It will continue to be "polished" as long as the sim is in production.

Hook

Understood what you wrote but I doubt it also and it is not only the tools........(Aka FSW)

Edited October 1, 20196 yr by mpo910

4 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

Understood what you wrote but I doubt it also and it is not only the tools........(Aka FSW)

I wrote "tools and documentation".

3 minutes ago, LHookins said:

I wrote "tools and documentation".

And what about regulatory (contracts)? Well we will see. I will hope that that all went well. Just "seeing" some "sounding" (,-)) of some devs (with good reputation) who are not involved yet. 

Edited October 1, 20196 yr by mpo910

I don't think anyone knows which developers have been invited or not due to MS normally very restrictive NDA. 

46 minutes ago, 188AHC said:

I don't understand all this heated discussion about the SDK.  MS has already stated the SDK is a vital tool for 3rd party developers and will appear along with Tech Alpha or shortly thereafter. They have also stated that the SDK will be included at launch. However, they admit that it will need to be "polished" over time.

What makes anyone think that some developers don't already have a preliminary version and are under NDA? MS has stated they have been speaking with developers for a while.

 

FOMO for those developers who have yet to obtain information on the SDK...with real personal financial impacts. Through that lens, I think the reaction is perfectly understandable.

2 minutes ago, snglecoil said:

FOMO for those developers who have yet to obtain information on the SDK...with real personal financial impacts. Through that lens, I think the reaction is perfectly understandable.

The thing is Chris, nobody knows except MS and the developers who has been contacted up to this point and who will be contacted in the future. Again, we are very early in this whole thing. With a 2020 release date supposedly, there is time for all this to be worked out.

56 minutes ago, 188AHC said:

don't understand all this heated discussion about the SDK.  MS has already stated the SDK is a vital tool for 3rd party developers and will appear along with Tech Alpha or shortly thereafter. They have also stated that the SDK will be included at launch. However, they admit that it will need to be "polished" over time.

What makes anyone think that some developers don't already have a preliminary version and are under NDA? MS has stated they have been speaking with developers for a while.

Not all developers have been contacted.  So there is some concern about how collaborative and inclusive it really is.

Just now, 188AHC said:

The thing is Chris, nobody knows except MS and the developers who has been contacted up to this point and who will be contacted in the future. Again, we are very early in this whole thing. With a 2020 release date supposedly, there is time for all this to be worked out.

I'm just saying that may be part of the reason why the discussion is a little tense at this point.

Let's just say, for instance, I decided to get into this 3rd party developer thing 6 months ago. I have a line of projects mapped out for P3D or X-Plane. I've done the research and have a solid business plan in place. I'm feeling pretty confident at this point. Then June 9th happens. The 800 lb gorilla enters the room. Once I get over the initial shock, I know there is no ignoring it. And the more information that is trickled out the, the more people talk about it, the more people start thinking they are going to hold off on buying products for the platforms I was counting on for my income....I'm a little freaked out. And right now, I don't have enough information to adjust my plan to the new reality.

That's all I'm saying.

11 minutes ago, ErichB said:

Not all developers have been contacted.  So there is some concern about how collaborative and inclusive it really is.

It's alpha... They will contact key developers I assume. If they let anyone get the access to the SDK, it would be impossible to get a good feedback flow and give the appropriate to the devs. If their priority is to have 3rd party planes available ASAP, they will propbably get in touch with the devs they think would contribute the most to have a good SDK for developing airplanes. 

Thinking it will be a closed enviroment after release, just because not all developers (freeware and payware) were contacted would be a rushed conclusion. That's how I see it, of course.

3 minutes ago, snglecoil said:

I'm just saying that may be part of the reason why the discussion is a little tense at this point.

Let's just say, for instance, I decided to get into this 3rd party developer thing 6 months ago. I have a line of projects mapped out for P3D or X-Plane. I've done the research and have a solid business plan in place. I'm feeling pretty confident at this point. Then June 9th happens. The 800 lb gorilla enters the room. Once I get over the initial shock, I know there is no ignoring it. And the more information that is trickled out the, the more people talk about it, the more people start thinking they are going to hold off on buying products for the platforms I was counting on for my income....I'm a little freaked out. And right now, I don't have enough information to adjust my plan to the new reality.

That's all I'm saying.

Good written.....could´t do better. That is the developper view from those who "earn" mony with this. But what about the users view?

How big is the market buying MSFS 2020 when becomes clear that not enough developpers are creating products which we users hoped for to come to MSFS AND if that is the case, how long will we use the sim then?

So also myself, as a simple user, am hoping for a good partneship between MS and After market. Exactly THAt is what went wrong already. 

And I heard/read a lot of well known guys who are NOT invited bei now. That concerns me a lttile.