15 minutes ago, france89 said:

Still, even in the graphs recently showed with Vulkan on Nvidia cards we are talking about a 10 fps increase more or less.
So i guess it depends on the fps people managed to achieve before in their VR config and if those 10 fps will change things completely or not

Well, fps is not the holy grail any more and Frame Time becomes more and more important and within VR measurable for me in Aerofly and also Flyinside.  In Aerofly I can compare Vulcan to OpenGL (90/90 or 45/90) and the Frame Time in CPU and GPU is also much better. We know that ESP and OpenGL have a legacy to the old 32bit days and pumped up to 64bit.in a wonderful way and Xplane11,  with all the eye-candy maxed out is running at 60fps in ORBX TE GB over the London City and EGLL so in 2D it's completely running fine on my rig.  I can't test it on a 4K 2D monitor but my 4K VR is falling back to 19.99 fps with a Frame Time of the CPU at 65Ms with moderate AA.

2 hours ago, france89 said:

Still, even in the graphs recently showed with Vulkan on Nvidia cards we are talking about a 10 fps increase more or less.

Hopefully there is a lot more headroom to be gained (for XP12 maybe?) because those +10 fps will be absolutely inadequate.

You can almost hear the rumble of MS2020 in the background - hope they're up to it.

9 hours ago, simba_nl said:

with all the eye-candy maxed out is running at 60fps in ORBX TE GB over the London City and EGLL

What on earth is your rig to be able to do that over London?!

Just installed beta 9 here.So far, so good.

8 hours ago, tutmeister said:

What on earth is your rig to be able to do that over London?!

Turning off shadows and reflections low when flying (try flying in VR over London) and switched back to 2D 1080P but there is also another possibility why I can with 60fps and others don't... Ram and Vram. When everything is maxed out I'm using nearly 20Gb of RAM and 11 Gb of Vram so imagine what happened with only 16Gb RAM and a 8Gb Vram GPU.... blessed are the ones with a 1080ti 2080ti or Titan GPU. Before the Titan I have had a RTX2070-Super 8Gb for a week and was doing 32 fps while it's performance/horsepower is similar to a 1080ti so I thing the extra 3Gb of Vram (in my case 4Gb with the Titan) makes the difference..

Edited October 19, 20196 yr by simba_nl

On 10/18/2019 at 7:09 PM, Murmur said:

Hopefully there is a lot more headroom to be gained (for XP12 maybe?) because those +10 fps will be absolutely inadequate.

Statements like these make me angry. Be glad that you'll be getting a performance increase in the first place.

Edited October 19, 20196 yr by Bjoern

1 hour ago, Bjoern said:

Statements like these make me angry. Be glad that you'll be getting a performance increase in the first place.

That's harsh. 10fps improvement is great but one or two new features will gobble that up easily. Nothing wrong with wanting or demanding more in the future.

5 hours ago, Bjoern said:

Statements like these make me angry. Be glad that you'll be getting a performance increase in the first place.

I don't have to be "glad". It's only in X-Plane interest if perf improvements will be a lot more than 10 fps, because significantly improved performance _could_ be a necessary thing to remain competitive in the demanding competitive landscape one year from now.

22 hours ago, sanh said:

That's harsh. 10fps improvement is great but one or two new features will gobble that up easily. Nothing wrong with wanting or demanding more in the future.

 

18 hours ago, Murmur said:

I don't have to be "glad". It's only in X-Plane interest if perf improvements will be a lot more than 10 fps, because significantly improved performance _could_ be a necessary thing to remain competitive in the demanding competitive landscape one year from now.

 

Both of you were just signed up for involuntary, unpaid, six month internships at Laminar with the primary task of increasing X-Plane's performance by 100% in the most demanding situations as, apparently, it is a requirement to stay competitive and there's nothing wrong with outrageous demands. Programming skills are absolutely required and you have two weeks to acquire them if not present yet and then work your wizard magic on XP's code base. Failure to comply or attain the stated goal will result in a lifelong ban from using any of Laminar's products. Good luck.

"Outrageous demands"? If you haven't realized it, significantly improved performance is one of the most requested features in the user community (and has been for some time now).

On 10/20/2019 at 7:10 PM, Bjoern said:

 

 

Both of you were just signed up for involuntary, unpaid, six month internships at Laminar with the primary task of increasing X-Plane's performance by 100% in the most demanding situations as, apparently, it is a requirement to stay competitive and there's nothing wrong with outrageous demands. Programming skills are absolutely required and you have two weeks to acquire them if not present yet and then work your wizard magic on XP's code base. Failure to comply or attain the stated goal will result in a lifelong ban from using any of Laminar's products. Good luck.

Sure, hold my beer...

On 10/20/2019 at 9:10 PM, Murmur said:

"Outrageous demands"? If you haven't realized it, significantly improved performance is one of the most requested features in the user community (and has been for some time now).

What the community wants and what Laminar is able to provide are two very different things with variably sized cross-section.

If it's plus ten FPS, it's plus ten FPS. If it's plus five, it's plus five. If you wanted plus thirty that you can eat up with some overdetailed add-on BS, bug-eye HD screen VR goggles or a 400 inch screen, it's a userside problem. If this poses an unsurmountable obstacle, there's always other simulators out there. And complaints about investments are invalid as everybody and their grandmother should know the risks in buying software for a certain platform.

Edited October 21, 20196 yr by Bjoern

2 hours ago, Bjoern said:

What the community wants and what Laminar is able to provide are two very different things with variably sized cross-section.

Exactly. And it would be in LR interest to provide more than +10fps to not let that cross-section shrink too much, because that cross-section is what will determine XP market share.

13 hours ago, Murmur said:

Exactly. And it would be in LR interest to provide more than +10fps to not let that cross-section shrink too much, because that cross-section is what will determine XP market share.

If framerate determined market share, Aerofly FS2 would have like 80% of it. But it doesn't.