4 minutes ago, mSparks said:

flight sim is the last of the (significant) desktop hold outs for gaming. They want you off windows 7 and to buy their hardware and subscribe to their services, they have been completely transparent about it. Nadellas memos are public, all the msfs2020 announcements have been at xbox events. They completely reorganised to be a "subscription" rather than a software company way back in 2017.

This is completely untethered from reality.  The small flight sim community aren't a "significant" portion of anything, let alone ALL DESKTOP GAMING users. There are tens of millions of desktop PC gamers, to the point that companies like Ubisoft, Epic and EA have been competing to try and take away marketshare from Steam in recent years.

"all the msfs2020 announcements have been at xbox events"

Because as has been explained a dozen times at this point, "Xbox" is the umbrella that comprises all of their gaming-related endeavours across multiple platforms - it's not just the name of a console.  All of their studios are now called "Xbox Game Studios" instead of "Microsoft Studios".  Windows has multiple "Xbox" apps, including one for PC Game Pass.  Microsoft are releasing games on PC like the Master Chief Collection and Age of Empires 2 DE on Steam, that nonetheless have the Xbox branding on them.  They literally launched a separate Game Pass for PC this year, also marked with the "Xbox" branding. 

Why even bother with that, if the goal is to get everyone on a console?  Why start releasing Microsoft games on Steam again?  Why bother starting the "Play Anywhere" program, which gives digital purchasers free access to their game on PC and console?  Why commit to releasing all first-party Microsoft games for PC and console going forward - a decision which EXPLICITLY undermines the need for an Xbox-branded console? Why bring a couple of first-party games to the Nintendo Switch (Ori and Cuphead)?  Why bother announcing you're porting all of the Halo games to PC over 2019-2020 - arguably Xbox's single biggest console exclusive over the last 18 years?  Why bother confirming Halo Infinite - your biggest next-gen launch title - will also release on PC at the same time?

Where do all of those things fit into the grand unified theory of Microsoft ultimately just wanting everyone on an Xbox?

You're either very uninformed about the current landscape of Microsoft's efforts in gaming, or you're being intentionally disingenuous.

1 hour ago, Scottoest said:

The small flight sim community

725,000 members of the xp org.

10,000 scenery developers

small?

1 hour ago, Scottoest said:

Where do all of those things fit into the grand unified theory of Microsoft ultimately just wanting everyone on an Xbox?

I dont think you properly understand that there is exactly zero difference between a gamepass game on pc and an xbox game. same code, same drm, same features, same everything.

only difference is the xbox hardware is cheaper, because it is bought at huge scale and sold on wafer thin margins.

2 minutes ago, mSparks said:

725,000 members of the xp org.

small?

Relative to a Los Angeles Lakers home game?  No.  Relative to PC gamers as a whole?  Absolutely.

3 minutes ago, mSparks said:

I dont think you properly understand that there is exactly zero difference between a gamepass game on pc and an xbox game.

I understand that just fine, insofar as an Xbox is basically a modified Windows 10 box.  But the big difference between the two, is that one requires you to buy Xbox hardware, and one does not, which is my entire point.

I'm sure Microsoft would be thrilled to sell a hundred million next-gen Xboxes.  They've also made it increasingly clear that they don't care if you play their games or subscribe to their services on a PC, an Xbox, or a mobile device.  Which, again, IS THE ENTIRE POINT.

You've postulated some devious bait and switch is coming, to try and get people to use MSFS on an Xbox next year, despite literally all evidence to the contrary.  I've read your derailing nonsense on the XP board about MSFS, and all of your various conspiracy theories about what is really going on.  And I've seen how even the people there largely roll their eyes at it.

If you like X-Plane, and you clearly do - then go use X-Plane.  So many people from that forum seem to expend so much desperate energy convincing themselves that MSFS will be no threat to X-Plane, and I'm completely baffled by it.

16 hours ago, Scottoest said:

This is completely untethered from reality.  The small flight sim community aren't a "significant" portion of anything, let alone ALL DESKTOP GAMING users. 

This here is the post of the month

9 minutes ago, Scottoest said:

You've postulated some devious bait and switch is coming

you mean like

https://mspoweruser.com/ads-in-windows-10-mail-and-calendar-app/

actually owning your windows desktop has already been and gone. only accelerates from 2020 if you believe what the msft execs are promising. Sure you'll love it whatever though.

10 minutes ago, mSparks said:

you mean like

https://mspoweruser.com/ads-in-windows-10-mail-and-calendar-app/

actually owning your windows desktop has already been and gone. only accelerates from 2020 if you believe what the msft execs are promising. Sure you'll love it whatever though.

I need a drink.

6 minutes ago, Scottoest said:

I need a drink.

Rakija, vodka, scotch or some ale?

My round.

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

I dont think you properly understand that there is exactly zero difference between a gamepass game on pc and an xbox game. same code, same drm, same features, same everything.

Try playing Red Dead Redemption 2 on Xbox, and then on a reasonably high-end PC. If you don't see the difference in the graphics then you're blind. Those two versions are NOT the same! The PC version takes advantage of current PC hardware to deliver more eye candy. The game of tag between consoles and PC's won't be any different with the next console generation. PC's always eventually overtake whatever the current console generation is, due to modular expandability and not being locked into product release cycles.

You're also still missing the fact that the new Xbox will only have 13 GB RAM for games, and 3 GB for the OS. MS/ASOBO would be crazy not to take advantage of the higher amounts of addressable RAM in PC's for the new flight sim, because every other flight sim developer is doing that.

30 minutes ago, Paraffin said:

Try playing Red Dead Redemption 2 on Xbox, and then on a reasonably high-end PC. If you don't see the difference in the graphics then you're blind. Those two versions are NOT the same! The PC version takes advantage of current PC hardware to deliver more eye candy. The game of tag between consoles and PC's won't be any different with the next console generation. PC's always eventually overtake whatever the current console generation is, due to modular expandability and not being locked into product release cycles.

You're also still missing the fact that the new Xbox will only have 13 GB RAM for games, and 3 GB for the OS. MS/ASOBO would be crazy not to take advantage of the higher amounts of addressable RAM in PC's for the new flight sim, because every other flight sim developer is doing that.

You're wasting your time on him. He's got his tinfoil hat superglued onto his head. It's never coming off. Better off ignoring him than trying to convince him otherwise.

3 hours ago, Paraffin said:

Try playing Red Dead Redemption 2 on Xbox,

You definately dont.

RDR2 is not a gamepass game.

Its also directX12 & Vulkan

Ai Msparks PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

Just jump on the plane behind you and coast to la-la land

Promise we will wake you up in time.

If not, well we did our  best, truly 

No VR support on Xbox!!!!!!

 

Nuff said!!!!

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Hi, newly signed up here for information on Microsoft flight simulator 2020 but as a console gamer. I've seen people mention this game is being made for Xbox series X. Has anyone got any evidence of this? As far as I'm aware the game is being made for Xbox One, not the Xbox Series X. It even says coming to Xbox One and Windows 10 on the Microsoft page for the game. 

27 minutes ago, shawty1984 said:

Hi, newly signed up here for information on Microsoft flight simulator 2020 but as a console gamer. I've seen people mention this game is being made for Xbox series X. Has anyone got any evidence of this? As far as I'm aware the game is being made for Xbox One, not the Xbox Series X. It even says coming to Xbox One and Windows 10 on the Microsoft page for the game. 

Official page says it's coming to Xbox One, so i guess? We know it's going to come to console eventually but i don't think we've had confirmations on which version(s) exactly.

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/microsoft-flight-simulator