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Aerosoft A330 professional not really compatible with AI!

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3 hours ago, DaveCT2003 said:

 

Happy you brought that up!  I work as an unpaid advisor to Aerosoft, and I work for with many other developers.  I'm in an unpaid position because I had been working on a project that would have revolutionized P3D, radically increased performance (60fps no matter what addons were used) AND would actually save people hundreds of dollars.  But Microsoft's announcement of MSFS made my project senseless.

So, I'm defending the people and company purely because it's the right thing in this case, and the manner in which you have behaved is shockingly poor.

 

 

Mmmm....  I can also have 60 FPS with all Addons by setting sliders to the left.. 😏

AG density and LOD radius cannot be changed without reloading the scenery. Only FTFF and wheather can be adjusted while flying.

To me this looks like a very bold statement.

And knowing AS they are in the market to make money. Do they really shelf a project that would change P3D into supersmoothness and would be bought by everyone .,.,?

Mathijs would be the first to ‘not put this product on hold’ as this revolution would mean a lot of profit. MSFS or not.. But perhaps looking from France into the Fs world is different ..  😂

Mmmmm....

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1 hour ago, DaveCT2003 said:

I do my very best to avoid sarcasm. It's not always easy in this community, but I do try very hard.  No sarcasm has been present when dealing with the individual in question, if that's what you're asking about.

If you're asking about the project I mentioned, I'm under a very tight NDA (which as the Project Manager I actually I wrote... lol) not to discuss the project more than what I've already said.  Obviously we're already looking at MSFS, but we need to see the final product to do a deep dive type technical evaluation. After that we may well pick this project back up.  So, not dead, just on hold for future evaluation.  This is pretty normal on the flight sim development side. Projects get funded for research and sometimes never make it fully into development.  This is precisely the how third party developers helped push flight simulation to the level we now enjoy, and what people rarely get a glimpse of.

Thanks for the inquiry, and best wishes!

 

Yes, I was curious about the project! As much as MSFS2020 seems revolutionary, I also have to consider the 1000-2000$ investment in everything related to P3Dv4, let alone buying new, larger hard drives to install extra content MSFS2020. You post something about a project that revolutionizes P3Dv4 performance, I'm not going to leave you alone, haha! Thanks for saying as much as you can, and I hope there is some commercial viability for it down the line. Even if right now it sounds somewhat 'fantastic', in the most literal sense of the word 🙂 

Anyway, back to the topic at hand...

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Back on topic.
Here are bugs that are not linked to AI, fps or hardware configuration.

AIRCRAFT WILL NOT REACH WAYPOINT TEA AT THE MANAGED ALTITUDE
eccbOD.jpg

TCAS STBY (?)
Kj1tQj.jpg

DECELERATE (?)
2QcnqA.jpg

 

 + ILS not working right, speed brakes inaccurate message (see previous pics) and the wonky descent rate and aircraft attitude.
 

I don't care who is Dave (will all my respect), how much does he earn and what's his curriculum vitæ.
I don't wish support to call me "my friend", and I don't want to be told that the bugs I see are due to the shaders I use (true) or the empty battery of my mouse (ironical).
I am absolutely ready to help chasing the bugs and improving the product which is 70% wonderfully well-made.
I wish to transmit all required information to provide help.
But I don't want publishers to make a fool out of me asking me to reinstall the sim, to drastically lower my settings, or to ask so many questions (wind direction, cloud textures!) that no one will really spend his time answering.
That's why I don't post in their forum despite my frustration.

I am not bashing Aereosoft, I love some of their products and never had special issues with their support.
But for me, and in a very polite way I claim that this product is unflyable as it is today.
Problem is that many bugs we see today with the 330 were here with the previous AS Airbus version, and the one before, and probably the one before.


So Dave can be the more wonderful person on earth, and I have no doubt he is a gentleman, I am quite pessimistic to see in the near future a real "professional" aircraft coming from the AS factory.
Beautiful, yes, certainly.
Pro, no.

Coding flight dynamics and reproducing flight systems on such complex aircraft is a very hard task that needs high skills.
Not sure this is AS number one's priority.
The core architecture was written a decade (or more) ago, for their first Bus for FSX, and since then, they improved it and enhanced it but they will never re-write it from scratch. So we have to live with the "18 fps minimum rule", which is a complete non sense today, but I am lucky enough to have a powerful machine and this limitation doesn't affect me.
But at least I legitimately and without any anger ask the devs to fix blatant bugs, and to stop treating customers like their QA department.


All the rest is pure literature

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9 minutes ago, David Roch said:

TCAS STBY (?)
 

Your transponder is off in the screenshot.


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Yep, saw that just now.
Too much testing!
Errare humanum est.
🙃

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(Maybe Christian and Urmel should continue their love affair via PM? 😂)

A very interesting statement from Dave in AS forum:
https://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?/topic/149528-a330-doesnt-like-bad-weather/&do=findComment&comment=962579
"First, let me say that I am absolutely not happy with our existing flight model, and neither are the developers, and this includes some drag issues (which by the way I've been complaining about internally for a number of months).  We plan to tighten up our flight dynamics after we're completely some higher priority things."

Fingers crossed.

 

 


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David Roch
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I know this Aircraft is still in development, they have told us. I know that not everything is working as expected. I accept this, of course. But I can't accept in my eyes that this aircraft will fall out of the skies when some stutters occur. And this behavior from the aircraft is ok like Aerosoft, my FPS are too low for a few seconds. This I can't accept for an professional payware developer. And after this topic I found out that this behavior is well known since 2012 and nobody will fix it, that's the nature of this aircraft. Shocking!

The A330 looks really great, but I can't use it I think. Maybe on an Route between Sydney and Bali, there is no Airport with more than 20 AI between, and the A330 can fly normal.

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On 1/2/2020 at 5:53 PM, David Roch said:

Back on topic.
Here are bugs that are not linked to AI, fps or hardware configuration.

AIRCRAFT WILL NOT REACH WAYPOINT TEA AT THE MANAGED ALTITUDE
eccbOD.jpg

TCAS STBY (?)
Kj1tQj.jpg

DECELERATE (?)
2QcnqA.jpg

 

 + ILS not working right, speed brakes inaccurate message (see previous pics) and the wonky descent rate and aircraft attitude.
 

I don't care who is Dave (will all my respect), how much does he earn and what's his curriculum vitæ.
I don't wish support to call me "my friend", and I don't want to be told that the bugs I see are due to the shaders I use (true) or the empty battery of my mouse (ironical).
I am absolutely ready to help chasing the bugs and improving the product which is 70% wonderfully well-made.
I wish to transmit all required information to provide help.
But I don't want publishers to make a fool out of me asking me to reinstall the sim, to drastically lower my settings, or to ask so many questions (wind direction, cloud textures!) that no one will really spend his time answering.
That's why I don't post in their forum despite my frustration.

I am not bashing Aereosoft, I love some of their products and never had special issues with their support.
But for me, and in a very polite way I claim that this product is unflyable as it is today.
Problem is that many bugs we see today with the 330 were here with the previous AS Airbus version, and the one before, and probably the one before.


So Dave can be the more wonderful person on earth, and I have no doubt he is a gentleman, I am quite pessimistic to see in the near future a real "professional" aircraft coming from the AS factory.
Beautiful, yes, certainly.
Pro, no.

Coding flight dynamics and reproducing flight systems on such complex aircraft is a very hard task that needs high skills.
Not sure this is AS number one's priority.
The core architecture was written a decade (or more) ago, for their first Bus for FSX, and since then, they improved it and enhanced it but they will never re-write it from scratch. So we have to live with the "18 fps minimum rule", which is a complete non sense today, but I am lucky enough to have a powerful machine and this limitation doesn't affect me.
But at least I legitimately and without any anger ask the devs to fix blatant bugs, and to stop treating customers like their QA department.


All the rest is pure literature

Well said David, because after following Urmel81's advice, I did post to AS's Forum re: the Checklists for this aircraft. Guess what? Still awaiting for a so-called 'moderator' to 'approve' my post------probably by next Christmas,if I am lucky!!! Meanwhile, what do I do with an aircraft that I shelled out good money for from the???. Luckily, I used my wits and figured that issue out.😡, so back to flying that particular aircraft.

On 1/2/2020 at 6:46 PM, David Roch said:

(Maybe Christian and Urmel should continue their love affair via PM? 😂)

A very interesting statement from Dave in AS forum:
https://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?/topic/149528-a330-doesnt-like-bad-weather/&do=findComment&comment=962579
"First, let me say that I am absolutely not happy with our existing flight model, and neither are the developers, and this includes some drag issues (which by the way I've been complaining about internally for a number of months).  We plan to tighten up our flight dynamics after we're completely some higher priority things."

Fingers crossed.

 

 

And he too as part of AS, shot me down here, when I had PMd him. So much for a PM meaning exactly what its is supposed to be!!😡


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9 minutes ago, vc10man said:

Well said David, because after following Urmel81's advice, I did post to AS's Forum re: the Checklists for this aircraft. Guess what? Still awaiting for a so-called 'moderator' to 'approve' my post------probably by next Christmas,if I am lucky!!! Meanwhile, what do I do with an aircraft that I shelled out good money for from the???. Luckily, I used my wits and figured that issue out.😡, so back to flying that particular aircraft.

And he too as part of AS, shot me down here, when I had PMd him. So much for a PM meaning exactly what its is supposed to be!!😡

Maybe you are banned for free posts from the Aerosoft Forum because you posted something in this topic here.
I remember the question from Dave if you had posted here.

Sorry, my fault, I opened this topic.

Urmel

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30 minutes ago, Urmel81 said:

Maybe you are banned for free posts from the Aerosoft Forum because you posted something in this topic here.
I remember the question from Dave if you had posted here.

Sorry, my fault, I opened this topic.

Urmel

I posted 2 questions here. One you were able to clue me up, re:MCDU-Options, for which I thanked you.Second one, re:Checklists, you had no idea you replied, which is when I followed your hint to post there. But now, 'water under the bridge' to me.


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On 1/2/2020 at 9:54 AM, DaveCT2003 said:

I do my very best to avoid sarcasm. It's not always easy in this community, but I do try very hard.  No sarcasm has been present when dealing with the individual in question, if that's what you're asking about.

If you're asking about the project I mentioned, I'm under a very tight NDA (which as the Project Manager I actually I wrote... lol) not to discuss the project more than what I've already said.  Obviously we're already looking at MSFS, but we need to see the final product to do a deep dive type technical evaluation. After that we may well pick this project back up.  So, not dead, just on hold for future evaluation.  This is pretty normal on the flight sim development side. Projects get funded for research and sometimes never make it fully into development.  This is precisely the how third party developers helped push flight simulation to the level we now enjoy, and what people rarely get a glimpse of.

Thanks for the inquiry, and best wishes!

 

If you're bound by such a restrictive NDA that you can't even divulge the broad nature of what you claim would "revolutionize" P3D, then why would you even mention it?

When you make grand statements like that then you should expect that people are going to want to know more.

You are also a "deputy", whatever that means, on Aerosoft's forum.  So a bit more than just an unpaid advisor.

Dave

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3 hours ago, dave2013 said:

If you're bound by such a restrictive NDA that you can't even divulge the broad nature of what you claim would "revolutionize" P3D, then why would you even mention it?

As the reason why I'm currently unpaid - my project is not active. You'd have had to follow the entire discussion, which spanned 4 different threads one of which AVSIM deleted to hide from public view.

3 hours ago, dave2013 said:

When you make grand statements like that then you should expect that people are going to want to know more.

Not a bad thing, but I also qualified my statement saying I couldn't say anything else, so... if I'm bound, I can't say more regardless of any interest.

3 hours ago, dave2013 said:

You are also a "deputy", whatever that means, on Aerosoft's forum.  So a bit more than just an unpaid advisor.

All of our Moderators are unpaid advisors, but they may not be a part of the corporate staff.

I hope I answered your questions, even though it seems that you're just nick picking for whatever reason.  Instead, I'd say to focus of flight simulation, but it's only a recommendation.

 

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I have now also encountered this problem, albeit with the 320. Triggered by stutters while loading scenery or other (sim)objects. Only way to recover is to disengage the AP, stabilize and re-engage. Don't remember having that problem when using FSX.


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27 minutes ago, d.tsakiris said:

I have now also encountered this problem, albeit with the 320. Triggered by stutters while loading scenery or other (sim)objects. Only way to recover is to disengage the AP, stabilize and re-engage. Don't remember having that problem when using FSX.

From memory, the issue was in FSX also (depends on the region Ex: I had/have this problem every time in the Seattle area.)...

Unlike other aircraft (PMDG, Fsl, in fact any other one...) manage the situation very well (no loss of control despite the stutters), the Airbus series due to their design is problematic.

Instead to disengage the AP, you can also just pause the simu and unpause when all is stable.

Richard.

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Well Aerosoft banned me after I critized that their planes are not able to fly with higher rates than 4x. They called me a liar and stated that no AC can do this while simultanesly I was flawlessly flying my pmdg 777 with 16x over the atlantic. Once a fan I am done with them. Reading this stuff about the 330 does not even surprise me.

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