MSFS 2020 Addon quality

[LHookins]

25 minutes ago, FDEdev said:

3 persons in a cockpit of a 'modern tube' to even leave the ground? There isn't a single one.

This is interesting.  I wasn't aware so I did a search.  Started in the 1980's and the 767 was one of the last with a flight engineer.  Thanks.

Hook

[FDEdev]

16 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Started in the 1980's and the 767 was one of the last with a flight engineer.  

The 767 was initially offered with 2 and 3 crew cockpit, but this never happened except for 5 Ansett 767s, and that was only for political reasons.

The FE seat and the panel are still there in all 767s, but there are no functions on the panel which are used during the flight.

[mSparks]

6 hours ago, FDEdev said:

35000+ pages for a 747 FCOM+QRH? Not even 10% of that amount. (there's no POH for a 747)

Probably not 35,000+ pages, some of the 90 odd manuals only have 100 pages, for example, the manual on using the manuals is 118 pages long.  (have them in front of me now)

5 hours ago, FDEdev said:

The 767 was initially offered with 2 and 3 crew cockpit, but this never happened except for 5 Ansett 767s, and that was only for political reasons.

 

Realistically its more complicated than that. Read all about it here:

https://store.icao.int/collections/annex-6/products/annex-6-operation-of-aircraft-part-i-international-commercial-air-transport-aeroplanes

[tweekz]

On 1/27/2020 at 9:46 PM, mSparks said:

For others it a career and a lifestyle choice. Even most hobby enthusiasts do actually care about realism.

Do you actually have loss of cabin pressure in your home cockpit?

[mSparks]

3 hours ago, tweekz said:

Do you actually have loss of cabin pressure in your home cockpit?

Yes, why? (mods apparently dont want me to share how)

[Jim Young]

You said "VR" and that automatically sends posts and topics to the VR Forum.

[mSparks]

makes sense @Jim Young

thank you for the explanation. its probably worth a side conversation on that more specific topic anyhow if someone wants to pick it up, because such mods are a whole different ballgame to mods that can live on a 2D screen and make extensive use of the mouse.

[ErnieAlston]

On 1/25/2020 at 1:40 PM, Wobbie said:

Chris, 100% correct! I was just wondering where this 'Study Level' came from.

Just out of curiosity I did a little digging into the origins of this term for Flight Simulation.   The first reference I could find for it is with the Military combat jet addons in 2009.  There's referencs to it on some of the DCS forums etc. Simhq forums also people using that term around the same time. The earliest reference I could find for a civilian airliner addon was a site (in italy) that appeared to refer to the PMDG, iFLY, and PrimSim 737's all as 'study level' products In late 2009. This appeared to be some sort of review, opinion or comment rather than any marketing.  The term definitely did not catch on from there.  

The first actual marketing of the term for an MSFS addon (FSX) I could find was for VR simulations F/A18E Superbug addon for FSX in Dec of 2010. Its description reads "Study-level simulation designed based on U.S. Navy NATOPS flight manuals."  .  It still appears to be for sale today at pcaviator.

The term seems to have started to catch on more on the civilian side around 2015, and became part of our common vernacular sometime in 2016.

The first time I recall actually hearing the term 'study level' was on frooglesim's youtube channel a few years ago.  Perhaps he had a hand on making that term common ?

 

[eslader]

On 1/29/2020 at 7:31 AM, mSparks said:

Yes, why? (mods apparently dont want me to share how)

Lol. This is awesome.