22 minutes ago, Casualcas said:

And stop with the msfs xplane comparative. 

agree !

it's like I invite myself into strangers' homes and spend my time explaining why their cooking is bad.

The gentleman is an amateur and a fan of x-plane, but he spends his time coming here to try to demonstrate that he is clairvoyant in a blind world.

But as he likes to speculate and build theories, always to the disadvantage of Asobo or Microsoft, well I too will speculate. And why only type on Microsoft or Asobo? I'm not going to speculate on x-plane, I appreciate things, for other less, but it would be impossible, here or on the org, to find a comment from me criticizing x-plane. So I'm going to speculate on third party developers.

I'll take one at random, who then? Well, Msparks.
So I speculate that episode 8 or 7 will show that ATC addons will be of little use, the default ATC will be huge. And that Msparks, (I speculate), spends all his time typing on Flight simulator, because he's afraid that people on xplane will leave for Flight simulator's ATC, and that as a result, he'll lose market share;

Unfounded speculation? So what? How should he be spared... same punishment that Asobo, Microsoft, he's selling, we speculate.

Everything I just said is just an example to show how unpleasant speculation is to read, and that it is not a great proof of respect to constantly denigrate the preferences of others.

Don't worry, the Msparks market is not going to go down, and simply because the market is going to go up. Simulation is going to be a major genre, if Asobo/Microsoft succeeds in their challenges, and everyone is going to win.

Edited January 22, 20206 yr by azulkb

I dont know. His application is so convoluted, and what the bloody hell reason I need my phone for in xplane I never bothered installing or trying it. It sucks even though I never used it. (See what I did there?)

Can you people just leave the troll be already? Several interesting MSFS threads have turned into a mess and not only because of what he says but just as much because for everything he posts there are 5 people trying to talk sense into him. It won't work, just stop.

Please stop with the personal attacks and personal comments. You can disagree in a professional manner or keep it to yourself. 

From this point on, any ad hominem attacks will result in some time off. 

On 1/21/2020 at 10:41 PM, mSparks said:

Aircraft manufacturers don't design the engine, mostly they buy it from either Rolls Royce or Lycoming.

Addon maker does have to simulate them.

So another good example of why building a real one is way easier than building a simulation of one.

 

I'm a plane designer for X-plane and I suffered three days no sleep to resolve a 20 hp electric engine thrust problem combined with the aerodynamics, eye candy and all I can tell you is very very harsh to create sim aircraft, also complex texturing mapping is involved and control manipulators and programming, I use  aero foil complex software and also 3D software much more complex than Solidworks and Rhino (what real aircraft engineers use) so I'm with mrSpark, developing aircraft for sim is harder than a real plane where a lot of third party specifications are plug and play.

4 hours ago, mpozzi said:

I suffered three days no sleep to resolve a 20 hp electric engine thrust problem

First, not sleeping for three days to solve a problem will never make it easier.  Around the time you reach your 32nd hour or no sleep your cognitive abilities have declined significantly and by 72 hours you are severely handicapped.

Second, do not mistake the time it takes YOU to do something as an overall gauge for the difficulty of the task for others. I have run a sub 4 minute mile. Honestly, at the time it really wasn’t that hard. But I was really good. I have a friend with a PhD in math. He solves things that would take me 3 days (at best) in minutes. It’s not hard for him. 
 

So yeah, I think you are right that coding an a320 by myself or with 3 of my friends on limited time and zero programming skill is probably more difficult than it is for Airbus a well organized, experienced, funded and skilled airplane manufacturer to actually build one. 

8 hours ago, mpozzi said:

so I'm with mrSpark, developing aircraft for sim is harder than a real plane where a lot of third party specifications are plug and play.

So, for example, do you have to work out the specification of electrical cables and where they will be routed? The hydraulic system pressures and hydraulic pipe routing? Potential electromagnetic interference between different 3rd party radios and avionics (and also the aforementioned cables)? You already know the basic design of the aircraft so you don't need to do that. You don't need to design the internal structure of the aircraft such that it will be suitable for the stresses it will absorb over a lifetime of use. You don't need to get involved in complex wind tunnel aerodynamic research. You don't need to specify and test engines and integrate them into the aircraft structure. You don't need to impact-test cockpit transparencies or pressure test passenger cabins. You don't need to design and integrate fire suppression systems into the aircraft. You don't need to test the aircraft components at all the temperatures and in all the environments they will have to work. Do you have to decide on all of the different materials that you'll use in building the aircraft (inside and outside), the specifications, thicknesses and strengths and how they might react with one another? I could go on.

So developing your sim aircraft is more difficult than just those few things I've mentioned here (and there are many, many more)?

Edited January 24, 20206 yr by vortex681

first of all MrSparks excluded the materials.

I do wire routing and complex aerodynamic research executing several tests in the sim. stressing is withing materials and I have to program all gauges even screen doing on/off you can't compare creating a black art plane design for an hyper-realistic sim to a simple can assemblage with third party specifications that are plug and play. 

Edited January 24, 20206 yr by mpozzi

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Edited January 24, 20206 yr by mpozzi

Are you really now seriously discussing if it is harder to develop a sim addon than a real aircraft?

I mean seriously?

 

6 hours ago, RALF9636 said:

Are you really now seriously discussing if it is harder to develop a sim addon than a real aircraft?

I mean seriously?

Why not? I mean, watch the highly complex and super realistic aircraft he built in action! 🤣

  

Edited January 25, 20206 yr by FDEdev

25 minutes ago, FDEdev said:

Why not? I mean, watch the highly complex and super realistic aircraft he built in action! 🤣

 

Do you know if this will come in a NON study level version?  I just want to get in and hit CTRL+E, not to mention that seems like a very advanced airfoil which will take a lot more time to try and keep stable.

9 hours ago, FDEdev said:

Why not? I mean, watch the highly complex and super realistic aircraft he built in action! 🤣

  

19 hours ago, vortex681 said:

So, for example, do you have to work out the specification of electrical cables and where they will be routed? The hydraulic system pressures and hydraulic pipe routing?

For a REP pack, yes. you do. e,g,

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Or

Otherwise it would not be realistic, would it.

Edited January 25, 20206 yr by Jim Young
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What is the so-called study level aircraft? It's a fancy name for a highly detailed gaming add-on?

Yes, there are the elitist so called hard-core simmers who look down at those that do not do the PMDG thing, but nobody uses a highly detailed aircraft as a 'study' device! Yes, you learn how to use it to 'fly' by the numbers, but surely, calling something a study level product implies that you will be tested after studying it...

LOL... I think not.. 

 

38 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

What is the so-called study level aircraft? It's a fancy name for a highly detailed gaming add-on?

the kind of thing needed for:

https://ifa-training.com/en/airlines/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_q_2hL6e5wIVBKQYCh3t-ghAEAAYASAAEgIPAvD_BwE

pmdg is not study level, its just an expensive toy.