5 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

If they are serious about the flight simulation community (like they have previously stated), then they need to be there.

Christopher, they already have shown us things that only hardcore simmers like us are interested in : the 1000-point architecture, the airflow above relief, the intricacies of their weather  and so on and so forth. They showed the prealpha to many knowledgeable  people,, including pilots, in Seattle and London who were very positive.  Isn't that enough to convince you of their seriousness ? Do they really need to go to this micro-expo  ? I don't think so.

Edited January 21, 20206 yr by domkle

18 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Could lack of gliders mean they wont support engine failures....

Huh, that's an interesting question.  I hope it's not the case.

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

You should build glider addons for MSFS2020, Asobo don't think they are capable

That's not what they said. Like helicopters, they won't be in the initial release. That doesn't mean they can't model them. Curious to hear about all of the real-world aircraft you built as a boy (but unlikely to, I imagine).

1 hour ago, andyjohnston.net said:

Huh, that's an interesting question.  I hope it's not the case.

& @mSparks

Confirmed in Episode 5 Soundlandscape, they showed some ingame variables and there is a ENG FAILED (failure flag), and Engine Fire also:

Edited January 21, 20206 yr by zalox

2 hours ago, mSparks said:

Maybe you are on to something.

You should build glider addons for MSFS2020, Asobo don't think they are capable, and apparently you seem to think it would be easier than making a paper plane.

 

Interesting that you mention engines - or the lack of them.

Now I suppose you agree that a lot of aircraft use engines as their primary source of thrust. So, they are parts of those aircraft. Do you still think that creating a plane in a flightsim is harder than designing an engine? And this is just a small part of the full task of designing an aircraft. Beside the (economic) aerodynamic modelling, mechanical engineering, software enginering... all for multiple parts and systems.

Then you gotta consider that all this has to meet strict regulations as human lifes depend on it. Before you refer to the Boeing incident and outsourcing policies - you know very well that aviation is still a very safe industry. So there must be some very intelligent people, meeting all those criteria.

On the other hand - with all due respect for addon devs - I'd not step into an aircraft that has the same QA as a regular flight sim addon. I'm confident an ambitious high school student could create a pretty decent flightsim aircraft, given enough time and effort. I'd still not fly with one of his self made planes. There is a reason you need an academic education for certain things.

I know I shouldn't argue with you, as you will take a quote and reference it with something totally out of context, but I need a little distraction from my work right now. 😉

Edited January 21, 20206 yr by tweekz

3 hours ago, mSparks said:

You should build glider addons for MSFS2020, Asobo don't think they are capable, and apparently you seem to think it would be easier than making a paper plane.

Personally I don't think they are. If they were they wouldn't be so worried about the millions of glider pilots being able to judge their flight model.

Just because there are no alpha gliders (and even if there are, the nda prevents us from knowing it or for some people to say it) doesn't mean that the final version will be without gliders.

You cling to the slightest rumor, to the slightest question to make a mountain out of it and demonstrate at all costs that this project is not made for simmers.

So much so that you are known and even on Reddit... and not for good.

I'm not allowed to say any more without being banned... yet a metaphor about the air we brew and helicopter blades comes to mind.

Which explains your altitude. I'm sorry, I mean your attitude.

Extremist fans of competing simulators will have to learn to live with the existence of flight simulator 2020.

 

Edited January 21, 20206 yr by azulkb

19 minutes ago, azulkb said:

You cling to the slightest rumor, to the slightest question to make a mountain out of it

 

What I don't get is why you and many others still feel the need to climb all these made up mountains...

2 minutes ago, RALF9636 said:

What I don't get is why you and many others still feel the need to climb all these made up mountains...

i Know but waiting TA invit made me crazy

22 hours ago, mSparks said:

I said.

Obviously any fool can put a C172 flight model on a carbon cub and call it a great addon aircraft. Most of the devs who do that for a living dropped my favourite sim and went to build for MSFS2020....

That is just plain silly. Absolutely none of the 3rd party developers even have access to the SDK yet, so they can hardly be build(ing) anything for MSFS.

Moreover, all that's happed thus far is talk, talk, and more talk between devs and MS/Asobo. Not much in the way of firm information yet either...

2 hours ago, tweekz said:

Do you still think that creating a plane in a flightsim is harder than designing an engine?

Aircraft manufacturers don't design the engine, mostly they buy it from either Rolls Royce or Lycoming.

Addon maker does have to simulate them.

So another good example of why building a real one is way easier than building a simulation of one.

6 minutes ago, n4gix said:

That is just plain silly. Absolutely none of the 3rd party developers even have access to the SDK yet, so they can hardly be build(ing) anything for MSFS.

More than one developer has publicly stated they are shifting all their development efforts to MSFS2020. Completely with you on them being dishonest.

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

 More than one developer has publicly stated they are shifting all their development efforts to MSFS2020. Completely with you on them being dishonest.

Have you spent more money on your sim setup or the shrine you've dedicated to Austin Meyer? Lol

31 minutes ago, Krakin said:

Have you spent more money on your sim setup or the shrine you've dedicated to Austin Meyer? Lol

Well, if getting personal is the best argument you have left.

Obviously.

Have you ever even sat in an actual cockpit since you started lecturing others on addon and simulator quality?

Just so everyone can be clear.

Edited January 22, 20206 yr by mSparks

9 hours ago, mSparks said:

 

 

4 hours ago, mSparks said:

More than one developer has publicly stated they are shifting all their development efforts to MSFS2020. Completely with you on them being dishonest.

I never said or implied "dishonesty" but just not very forthcoming, or even better non-committal...

The developer you refer too did not say they had started work on developing for MSFS, but rather that like many (most) of us have expressed interest in building for the new sim. Without the tools and more importantly a clear roadmap for the exact terms in any association as a 'valued partner' cannot begin to make any real progress.

I am persuaded however that said company will find such a shortsighted commitment will end up biting them on the derrière... (gluteus maximus).

3 hours ago, mSparks said:

Well, if getting personal is the best argument you have left.

Obviously.

Have you ever even sat in an actual cockpit since you started lecturing others on addon and simulator quality?

Just so everyone can be clear.

Ah well done Sparks. Still hasn't stopped you from saying weird things 🙂

12 hours ago, mSparks said:

 

 

...Just so everyone can be clear.

Because you have a driver's license,  I suppose you can calculate cylinder compression by volume? 

(As he runs to google)

Why does any of this matter again? We know (some) 3pd do well,  other not so much. Asobo has done well from what we've seen, and I am not going to assume and be a crabby geriatric because of something I've NOT seen, or tried myself. And stop with the msfs xplane comparative. I love xplane,  as well as hate it. I love FSX as well as hate it for other reasons. Just stop , please