3 hours ago, GlideBy said:

The people from 40 years ago is why we have problems.  They knew about global warming but chose to ignore it.  

Pardon we were not a throw away  group we have today new tech ever 2 years bin the old tech, we also grew our own food in the garden not pre-packed plastic of today, no fast food junk, we did not jump on a plane for our holidays or weekends away like today people take for granted. 

I spent an hour doing research, posting how recycling was worse 40 years ago, and the environment was trashed at the time.  I had sources to back everything up, sources from the New York Times, and from UK data sources.  And a cool chart.  The mods deleted it.  So I have lost all that effort.  All because one source mentioned a political leader in the 80s.  

How can you talk about what happened in the 80s without talking about who did what?

There is a thousand other things I am eagerly awaiting news on, this is not one.

Greener production of energy is the answer, as our civilisation moves forward so will our power needs, for now.

I flagged this thread as soon as it started and knew it would turn into garbage political thread which it has.

I like to think that most of us come here to discuss flight simulation and aviation.

Why it's still active I have no idea but this is not the avsim of old.

I don't even know the place anymore. Such a shame.

And that is why Sim-outhouse is on 80% of their donation target, with Avsim on 7%.

Skully, quite correct.. Avsim is most certainly NOT what it used to be. 

 

On 3/7/2020 at 7:19 AM, G-RFRY said:

CO2 is an essential building block of life, AIR ,WATER ,CARBON (CO2). Remove one of them and life as we know it ends.    

 

Which is irrelevant in terms of climate change of course. But not a discussion to have here. That's a PM zone only. A place where I am willing to argue about such stuff. 

16 hours ago, GlideBy said:

The people from 40 years ago is why we have problems.  They knew about global warming but chose to ignore it.  

 

Actually research gores back over 100 years to people like Svante Arrhenius and Joseph Fourier. But yes, it was front page news about 30 years ago.  🙂

Edited March 8, 20206 yr by martin-w

12 hours ago, G-RFRY said:

Pardon we were not a throw away  group we have today new tech ever 2 years bin the old tech, we also grew our own food in the garden not pre-packed plastic of today, no fast food junk, we did not jump on a plane for our holidays or weekends away like today people take for granted. 

 

When he refers to "people" he doesn't mean you and I, I think he's referring to the "people" in power. But yes, air travel in particular is dirt cheap these days and taken for granted. Just come back from Guernsey. 80 quid return, bonkers really. Although of course I did get stranded because Flybe when bust. 😁 luckily Blue islands brought me back on a recuse flight for free. 

Is there ANY way a moderator can start moderating this forum? 

These comments have nothing to do with MSFS, and posters have been banned for less. 

27 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

Is there ANY way a moderator can start moderating this forum? 

These comments have nothing to do with MSFS, and posters have been banned for less. 

 

Lets not tell the moderators how to do their job. They are fully aware of this thread and will take the appropriate action if and when required.

Lets also not dictate to others what they can and cant debate. Again... moderation will take place if required.

Lets just avoid a thread if it isn't to our liking, and not click our mouse on it.

Reaching 7% of fund raising is indicative of these attitudes. 

Without them, Avsim used to be the preferred goto forum. Now we have pages of irreverentcy within flight simulation forums, never seen before, as well as the largest range of new addons. It is obvious that, apart from MSFS forums, support has gone elsewhere.. 

Sorry to interrupt a non sim carbon footprint chat in a sim forum, obviously these types of postings have been approved by the moderators. It seems that times have really changed.

16 hours ago, G-RFRY said:

The people from 40 years ago is why we have problems.

And 40 years from now, someone of the same age that you are at now, will be complaining about you in someway then. 

2 hours ago, Wobbie said:

Is there ANY way a moderator can start moderating this forum? 

Its my way or the highway.

This forum is starting to slow down, I need entertainment.

3 hours ago, Wobbie said:

These comments have nothing to do with MSFS, and posters have been banned for less. 

The topic started out on the subject of the impact of servers on the environment, therefore although it was mentioned as an example, it has otherwise nothing whatsoever to do with MSFS, which is probably why the moderators have let it run and why it is not in the MSFS forum.

On the subject of the quality of discussion on the Avsim forums, efforts to close down discussions that someone does not personally approve of, instead of just moving on, are perhaps one of the reasons why there might be less interest. Just guessing.

My views on the human impact on the environment are another matter. Suffice it to say that we will be the authors of our own demise or less likely, our own survival, but it is everyone's responsibility.

Edited March 8, 20206 yr by Reader

2 hours ago, Wobbie said:

Reaching 7% of fund raising is indicative of these attitudes. 

Without them, Avsim used to be the preferred goto forum. Now we have pages of irreverentcy within flight simulation forums, never seen before, as well as the largest range of new addons. It is obvious that, apart from MSFS forums, support has gone elsewhere.. 

Sorry to interrupt a non sim carbon footprint chat in a sim forum, obviously these types of postings have been approved by the moderators. It seems that times have really changed.

 

Well, I joined Avsim in 2006. And as far as i'm concerned its no different than it has ever been. All that's different is more people moaning. 

As far as "carbon footprints" it was relevant to the forum it was originally posted in before it was moved here. As in, a members concern for the NEW FLIGHT SIMS servers  and their impact on the environment. So yes, it was in relation to the new SIM! So of course the moderators were okay with it because it was related to flight sim. 

I think if we just continue enjoying the forum, enjoying flight sim, and refrain from clicking on topics we aren't interested in, all will be well. I would say to anybody that doesn't like a topic in the forum, don't read it! Don't click your mouse on it! Do something else with your time!

Edited March 8, 20206 yr by martin-w