39 minutes ago, bean_sprout said:

We are all bozos on this bus.

 

I'm so glad you're up late...😀

Edited June 24, 20205 yr by Will Fly For Cheese

On 6/24/2020 at 10:01 PM, ludekbrno said:

It's clearly not true. MSFS is produced, financed and mannaged by Microsoft, which only contracted ASOBO to physical develop this software. So ASOBO didn't pay to Microsoft for Flight simulator licence, but Microsoft pay to ASOBO for their work.

Any proof of your statement, any quote of an article you've found on the internet ?  The same here, only a personal opinion, only hollow blablabla..... .

I would be glad to read anything about your assessment.... .  Just give me a meaningful link, and I would be happy enough.

Edited June 25, 20205 yr by KBUR

47 minutes ago, KBUR said:

Any proof of your statement, any quote of an article you've found on the internet ?  The same here, only a personal opinion, only hollow blablabla..... .

I would be glad to read anything about your assessment.... .  Just give me a meaningful link, and I would be happy enough.

You haven't provided evidence that Asobo paid for the licence either.

Gawd. Are you still banging on about this KBUR?

11 hours ago, KBUR said:

Any proof of your statement, any quote of an article you've found on the internet ?  The same here, only a personal opinion, only hollow blablabla..... .

I would be glad to read anything about your assessment.... .  Just give me a meaningful link, and I would be happy enough.

You came first with claim, that MSFS is produced by ASOBO under MS licence. So you must give some evidence for this claim 🙂 Every avaiable information show opposite, that MSFS is produced by MS, only physicaly developed by ASOBO under order from MS.

19 hours ago, KBUR said:

Any proof of your statement, any quote of an article you've found on the internet ?  The same here, only a personal opinion, only hollow blablabla..... .

You sir have come here promoting your "opinion" as fact. It is up to you to provide any evidence proving your assertion.

I highly recommend that you simply drop your campaign absent such 'proof.' 

On 6/23/2020 at 9:44 PM, RALF9636 said:

It is the overall immersion factor which matters most to me, not visual accuracy in every detail.

You're right. But I think this is where different factors come together.

I work as a mechanical design engineer and use 3D CAD a lot. Just recently I tried out a software and VR kit where I can look at my designs in apparent real life size. Although the graphics were really simple (objects have just color and shade but not textures) it took only seconds until I was immersed and didn't care for realistic graphics a lot.

But as an arm-chair simmer with a monitor that offers only a rather narrow FOV, no feelable motoins from the planes TBH, I never felt really immersed into sim flying... but what was bothering the most is the unrealistic and bad visuals. There are just too many factors that lack for a realistic feel. I think that will be way better with MSFS, because it seems that when you're flying visual, you can actually focus your attention to the terrain and infrastructure. The concentration you're spending on recognizing landmarks, flying along a river will make you feel immersed although there is still no motion of your chair usw.

In current sims, at least for me, this doesn't work out.

Can we suspend this user already? Troll or not, he doesn't seem to mind derailing threads with inaccurate information, and will immediately resort to insults if anyone tries to correct him.

KBUR, we've been trying to correct you with facts that are very easy to find in older news articles and interviews. Common sense is all that's needed actually, Microsoft Flight Simulator is a first-party Xbox Game Studios title, and it was made clear from its announcement. We don't have to do the research for you. Until you do so, you are in no position to spread misinformation and insult anyone who's trying to correct it. Your sources have been extremely general, like trying to explain what franchising is, and quoting wrong information about the game when interviews with developers say otherwise. So far, the only one posting opinions is you.

The latest Partnership Series update clearly states that the game is part of the Microsoft Flight Simulator franchise, and that NAVBLUE are partnering with Xbox Game Studios to provide their services. It cannot get more official than that. And do not ask me for a source, this is extremely easy to find if you look around a little bit.

On 6/23/2020 at 9:18 PM, KBUR said:

You are wrong:  Selling the brand is part of a franchise !

About  Franchising on Wikipedia (excerpt from its text):

Wikipedia:

 Where implemented, a franchisor licenses its know-how, procedures, intellectual property, use of its business model, brand, and rights to sell its branded products and services to a franchisee. 

It seems like you don `t understand the meanings of your own excerpts: 

The article on Wikipedia uses the term license:

Selling Licensing the brand is part of a franchise.

 

The way you are becoming offensive and insulting is remarkable. 

For what it's worth, that the wrong Franchise term. When talking about the Microsoft Flight Simulator Franchise they mean a Multimedia Franchise : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_franchise

It's similar to, for example, Marvel Universe and has not much to do with independently operating companies.

On 6/24/2020 at 5:18 AM, KBUR said:

Over and out.

I'm not convinced you fully comprehend the intended meaning of this idiom...

Back on topic,  I'm in the camp that cares about more realistic tree heights. I think in some of the areas that I sim-fly and am familiar with in the real world,  unrealistic tall trees that are double in height to their real counterparts are going to be an irritant to me when the rest of the scenery is clearly very realistic. 

Wow... Just wow.... I can't believe KBUR is not only going on with this, but he's doubling down and digging his heels into the ground.

I'm finding it hard to take anything he says seriously.

@KBUR Hey mach mal Pause! Wenn Du ein schlechten Tag hast, dann laß das nicht an den Rest der Welt aus!

For me personally, it doesn't matter how the companies relate to each other, because of me Chuck Norris can also be involved! But Chuck please, make sure we get a decent ATC!

Oh dear. And here I thought it couldn't get any worse.

13 minutes ago, KBUR said:

I've only asked for more informations, quotes, a meaningful link about this issue "which company is really responsible for developing the upcoming ASFS (MS2020)" - but no is answering, only offending ... .

https://msgpwebsites.azureedge.net/fsi/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/NAVBLUE-PressRelease-Microsoft-June2020-_E-finalversion-1-scaled.jpg

As we can see, "NAVBLUE partners with Xbox Game Studios" for "the next iteration in the franchise" which is "one of the longest running, best-selling, beloved simulators over the last 35 years".

You could have found this picture by looking at the thread in the very top of this forum, or you know, by visiting the official site. It's that easy. Shocking, right?

Clearly you are refusing to do even the most quick and simple research on the matter, and yet you feel qualified to spread your opinions as facts and get into an argument with everyone. Enough with the insulting and sexist comments please.

For your own interest, calm down.

 

As I am not that smart, I cannot represent the others as you put all that are against your in one pot, but for my knowledge the word franchise represents a licensing model. But that doesn`t change anything regarding the ownership. Of course this is an economical topic, that can be expanded to thousand of pages, but that is not my personal interest.

 

Microsoft would likely be the owner of the new Flight Simulator, from a law standpoint.

 

From your point of view, Asobo deserves to be in the title name, as they have developed the graphics engine.

So let`s ignore the fact that FS2020 is based on the older series of FS and there are more factors than just the graphics engine.

Also, you ignore the fact that the graphics engine of FS2020 is based on DirectX  which is developed by Microsoft. Going from your point of view, every game that is based on DirectX should be appended the title -based on DirectX developed and designed by Microsoft.

 

You should better rethink yourself what you are writing, as some of your postings could be ridiculous and entertaining for others.

 

English is myself not my native language, that`s why I guess my spelling is not that good.

 

-Edit: Oh and back to topic, I agree with many points of the thread starter ;).

 

Edited June 26, 20205 yr by BigDee