16 minutes ago, GoranM said:

I'm very interested to see your settings in both, as well as the difference, as a percentage, in fps.

4K ultrawide resolution, i7 4930K @ 4.5GHz, 32GB DDR3 RAM, 2080 Super, SATA SSD.

In X-Plane, mostly high with one or two medium settings. FSAA 2x if I remember becasue anymore tanks fps. FPS at 20 to 35 usually no matter where I fly.

In MSFS, ultra settings with render scale set to 70. FPS is 30 to 55 usually. It dips below 30 around NYC in an airliner though. 

 

I already have a strong clue as to why you're seeing better fps in FS2020.

Thanks.

16 minutes ago, Slides said:

4K ultrawide resolution, i7 4930K @ 4.5GHz, 32GB DDR3 RAM, 2080 Super, SATA SSD.

In X-Plane, mostly high with one or two medium settings. FSAA 2x if I remember becasue anymore tanks fps. FPS at 20 to 35 usually no matter where I fly.

In MSFS, ultra settings with render scale set to 70. FPS is 30 to 55 usually. It dips below 30 around NYC in an airliner though. 

 

you are being CPU limited if you are in Vulkan at that resolution

From what i have read and users have told me MFS uses the GPU the most and RAM

6 minutes ago, HumptyDumpty said:

you are being CPU limited if you are in Vulkan at that resolution

From what i have read and users have told me MFS uses the GPU the most and RAM

Exactly.  Excellent GPU and slow CPU, coupled with how FS2020 renders=what you are experiencing, @Slides.  Add to that any plugins that are installed in X-Plane, and the CPU cycles only get dragged down further.

Edited August 20, 20205 yr by GoranM

5 minutes ago, HumptyDumpty said:

you are being CPU limited if you are in Vulkan at that resolution

From what i have read and users have told me MFS uses the GPU the most and RAM

True, but that's the thing. X-Plane refuses to use all of my available CPU or GPU. MSFS is CPU limited for me. Something is wrong with X-Plane on my computer.

Just now, GoranM said:

Exactly.  Excellent GPU and slow CPU=what you are experiencing, @Slides.  Add to that any plugins that are installed in X-Plane, and the CPU cycles only get dragged down further.

Planning on a CPU, RAM, MB update soon. Let's see.

1 minute ago, Slides said:

Planning on a CPU, RAM, MB update soon. Let's see.

Oh, I can promise you, you'll see a massive difference in X-Plane performance with a better CPU and your current GPU.  With that GPU, you're better off getting something in the i9 range of CPU's.  And remember, plugins suck CPU power faster than a vacuum.  If you remove most, or all of them now, and then fire up X-Plane, you'll see a noticeable improvement.

1 minute ago, Slides said:

True, but that's the thing. X-Plane refuses to use all of my available CPU or GPU. MSFS is CPU limited for me. Something is wrong with X-Plane on my computer.

It will surely use a quad anything above that i can't say. On my FX 4300 it uses all but i notice one of the cores is mostly on the higher side.

Nothing is wrong with X-plane on your computer , but what you can do is delete screen preferences file from preferences and check.  

MFS is probably only designed to use the GPU and i don't know if that is a DX11 limitation or it is what it was meant to be.    

The fun will began when MFS moves to DX12 which is an equivalent of Vulkan,

7 hours ago, GoranM said:

 If you remove most, or all of them now, and then fire up X-Plane, you'll see a noticeable improvement.

You can also use the XP11.50 Plugin Admin:

Menu Plugins > Show Plugin Admin > Performance

 

This displays the % taken by each actually running plugin and give you some hints about which is using the most.

8 hours ago, GoranM said:

And remember, plugins suck CPU power faster than a vacuum.  If you remove most, or all of them now, and then fire up X-Plane, you'll see a noticeable improvement.

Very good point, and something to remember when reading any of these comparisons going forward.

Everyone flying MSFS at the moment is running a "stripped down" simulator with no 3rd party plugins. Or whatever the terminology is for a "plugin" on that side of the fence. The default aircraft are not study level; there are many non-functional items in the cockpits. Once MSFS gets loaded down with 3rd party utilities, and aircraft plugins for features that aren't included in the base sim, it will inevitably affect the frame rate. There is no free lunch. 

I was on MSFS Tech Alpha since 1.2 up to final beta 1.6. Graphics very nice, but everything else (controls setup, menu system, viewing system, flight behavior, frame rates with 3-screen setup on 1080Ti) quite disappointing for me. Kind of underwhelmed after the MS pr-campaign. It needs a bunch of add-ons ($$$ for PMDG, Orbx, EZCA) to make it much better, which I hoped it would not need. So I invested in ActiveSkyXP and I am a happy X-Plane flyer again 🙂 for at least a year or so. Then compare MSFS+bug fixes against XP12(?).

12 hours ago, GoranM said:

Oh, I can promise you, you'll see a massive difference in X-Plane performance with a better CPU and your current GPU.  With that GPU, you're better off getting something in the i9 range of CPU's.  And remember, plugins suck CPU power faster than a vacuum.  If you remove most, or all of them now, and then fire up X-Plane, you'll see a noticeable improvement.

My next machine will be 6 core, but that will do, even with my 4790K im doing fine, but than i dont run such high res, cant see teh point of seeing fly pooh on the ground from 1000 feet,but teh extra cores for scenery loading wont hurt and who knows, they might find something for those other cores to do, like ai planes i think are already sent to other cores.

As strange as this sounds, MSFS has piqued my interest even more for X-Plane.  MSFS has great eye candy, no doubt--but with its bugs and (some) lack of features, I'm drawn to the mature state of X-Plane.

Edited August 28, 20205 yr by mikeklimek

I've just come back just now to XP11, my pc i5 1060 machine is struggling to run ms2020, im just sick of tinkering with it in the graphics settings, XP11 runs so well and i jyat love x aviations TBM.....I will keep my eye on ms2020 and see how things develop but I think I will need a better rig in the future to run.. 🍻 cheers