3 minutes ago, hangar said:

What it did NOT do was track or interact with the AI.

I don't recall seeing AI aircraft vectored through mountains. 😄 

I'm beginning to suspect all that dancing around while trying to get vectored for landing is actually nothing but random numbers generated to give you course deviations and has nothing to do with anything actually going on in the sim.

Hook

2 minutes ago, LHookins said:

I'm beginning to suspect all that dancing around while trying to get vectored for landing is actually nothing but random numbers generated to give you course deviations and has nothing to do with anything actually going on in the sim.

Never really thought about it that way, fluff...fodder for no good reason? hmm, sounds like a theory 🙂 (immersion gone very wrong)

Edited August 15, 20205 yr by hangar

2 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

I'm not a software engineer.

Well, I am.  I started my professional career in March 1976.

I don't know why it hasn't been done.  I don't know why it should be so hard.  But I haven't tried to do it myself yet, and I'm not interested enough in it to take on such a large project, especially at my age.  I'd rather fly.

But it is very telling that no one has done it yet.  If it were as easy as it looks, anyone could do it, right?  Well, I've already posted that "Anything is possible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself."

Hook

Larry have you tried Pilot2ATC...its been a  few years and back when I was beta testing it could be kinda flaky but it was a step in the right direction. I'm assuming by now it must be working better. I'd be interested in your thoughts on how it's progressed?

7 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

I'd gladly pay extra for good, accurate, professional quality ATC.

Have you ever found one? 😄 Has anyone?  If someone ever makes one, it will corner the ATC market forever.

Hook

3 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Well, I am.  I started my professional career in March 1976.

I don't know why it hasn't been done.  I don't know why it should be so hard.  But I haven't tried to do it myself yet, and I'm not interested enough in it to take on such a large project, especially at my age.  I'd rather fly.

But it is very telling that no one has done it yet.  If it were as easy as it looks, anyone could do it, right?  Well, I've already posted that "Anything is possible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself."

Hook

As I've said before, I don't personally  know how the ATC performs in MSFS.  I'm only basing my comments on what some who have used the new sim are reporting.

My main beefs with the ATC have always been 1)the flawed vectoring algorithm which commands multiple unnecessary heading changes and vectors you 30 miles out for an approach, and 2)the late altitude instructions which come when you're 300 feet from the previously assigned altitude.

If they fixed those things the I'll be happy.

Dave

Just now, hangar said:

Larry have you tried Pilot2ATC

Who, ME??  I don't use ATC!  I avoid places where it's needed.  I like to fly places where it doesn't exist.

I got my fill of ATC getting vectored via Delaware from New Jersey trying to land at New York, or vectored directly through a mountain at El Paso, or being ordered to land at Narsarsuaq from the east.  "Report runway in sight."  I had to go to external view in the Baron to even find the word not allowed runway!  Then there were all the ping-pong, back and forth frequency changes between two frequencies when doing flight following.  No thanks.

I quit filing IFR fight plans and started, you know, just flying.  Sorta like real life in a GA aircraft.  If I'd ever gotten assigned an odd altitude, I wouldn't care, I'd just fly at that altitude.

Hook

 

2 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

I don't personally  know how the ATC performs in MSFS.

Me either!  I turned it off and let my copilot handle it without sound and without ever looking at an ATC dialog box.  I learned my lesson about flight sim ATC back in the FSX days.

Hook

Hopefully the SDK has enough access to ATC that it will allow third parties to truly do some great stuff in MSFS.  I know that was an issue in previous sims.

6 minutes ago, regis9 said:

Hopefully the SDK has enough access to ATC that it will allow third parties to truly do some great stuff in MSFS.  I know that was an issue in previous sims.

Right!  It's not a problem, it's an opportunity!  Be the first on your block to create a working ATC for MSFS, sell it through the Microsoft store, rake in the money.  

If you start right now, today, you may find out why it's never been done some time in the next 10 years.

Hook

It could be an opportunity for someone for sure.  I’ve heard ATC addon developers talk about the challenges they face due to the lack of SDK access is FSX and P3D (particularly in having a third party ATC actually control the aircraft).  Asobo seems so open in the development of their SDK hopefully this will include ATC so somebody smarter than me can create a solid addon.  My computer programming abilities peaked in first year university when I wrote a program to sort a list in alphabetical order 😆

17 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Who, ME??  I don't use ATC!  I avoid places where it's needed.  I like to fly places where it doesn't exist.

gotchya...I was asking because you said that no one has done it (i assumed you meant done it successfully) but there have been attempts that were fairly successful over the years, although NOT with AI and not without faults. So i was only curious if you knew how the Pilot2atc has progressed lately. I use to use it with XP, but never tried it with the MS series.

23 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Who, ME??  I don't use ATC!  I avoid places where it's needed.  I like to fly places where it doesn't exist.

That's right, don't let the altitude police catch you flying at 7,900 feet! 🚔

6 minutes ago, Der Zeitgeist said:

That's right, don't let the altitude police catch you flying at 7,900 feet! 🚔

Thank you, for the 1st laugh of my day!

9 minutes ago, regis9 said:

My computer programming abilities peaked in first year university when I wrote a program to sort a list in alphabetical order 😆

Bubble sort, right?  Or had you learned about quicksort by then?  Still an excellent exercise, and fun too.  I used bubble sort in the blackjack program I wrote to teach myself FORTRAN when I was in the US Army in the Pentagon.  Your tax dollars at work.  You would have gotten more for said tax dollars if I'd known about quicksort at the time. 😄 

If anyone thinks writing a good ATC program for MSFS will be hard, consider that MSFS includes real time real world air traffic!   Being controlled by real world ATC outside the sim!  

Flying in Alaska keeps looking better and better.

Hook